Taylor, Wayne, Judy discussed on BBC World Service


Taylor she married Wayne all wine he was the voice of Mickey Mouse until his death in two thousand and nine that's the latest BBC knees you're listening to the BBC world service I'm Judy more occur with weekend with me throughout the program Georgina Godwin Zimbabwean freelance broadcaster and David Kirkpatrick an international correspondent for The New York Times Georgian you mentioned books earlier on when we were talking about you work in that sphere I mentioned you were gonna talk about a favorite Russia that's right I miss her it's so difficult to narrow it down isn't there are so many wonderful rushes but I feel like I have some kind of special bond with Judith who died on the twenty second of may she was ninety five and I interviewed her for radio and then after that we we became friends and I would do various sessions with her when she was asked to address other bookshops award cam family occasions I would I would go along and and be her interlocutor but the recent that she meant so much to me was that my father was originally from Poland and when he was fifteen he came over to Britain to learn English for the summer and that was the summer that will break out and he was never able to go home he married my mother and I think the family was rather disappointed that she was marrying in June and it was quite an anti semitic feeling atmosphere in Britain at the time and they went off to Zimbabwe which is why I was born that my father reinvented himself as this English gentleman and I and my brother and sister would never told that in fact he had this whole of the past but one thing they did give me was the book when Hitler still pink rabbit which was written by Judith Kerr about her experiences as to as a child fleeing the **** fleeing Berlin her father was a price that they moved all of Europe they ended up in in Britain and my parents gave me this book and I see now this was because they wanted me to to to to prepare myself in fact I was never told officially until after my father's death but I went and told Judith the story and brought with me my cherish cherished copy of my childhood book did you know made out to me and Judith them signed it to me and we actually have it in the interview which is terribly touching on meet the writers on Monaco twenty four with that if we at the end it's it's very very emotional but you know I mean it it's people like her in and then you sort of go to the other extreme where you have people who are kind of hilarious to find people like Harlan Coben who's the thriller writer in in in the US he told me that in fact when he was at Amherst College he showed a university cordial not just with David Foster Wallace but also with don brown which I found quite a corridor yeah David an American living in Britain I wonder how that makes you compare the U. K. with the U. S. well it's a subject of extensive conversation my household I have to say I love what I love about the U. K. is there is a much higher regard for all things public whether it's literal public spaces or figure public spaces public benefits like the NHS public schools everything public here seems to be held in in high regard in general politically everything years a giant step to the left but finally enough along with that a high regard for public space there's a certain censorious miss you know in the US we kind of live and let live but I am personally I'm I should say I mostly a law abiding sort but occasionally if that when I'm out on my bicycle I will I will do some things wrong for example I will I get that empty intersection when no one is looking I might run a red light hi fine Brits roll down their car windows to tell me off Hey you do what you're doing you shouldn't do that don't you know anything I get quite a bit of of criticism from just regular old of vigilante is civilians passing by who tell me I'm doing wrong my bicycle and I you would never find that in the U. S. interesting because the cycling the cyclists verses the motorist verses the pedestrian argument in this country is I think one of the most intense despite all the other things that people could be out in about so you may have tapped into something Georgina golden David Kirkpatrick it with me a beginner's book about that geo political matters for the next ten minutes or so Iranian officials I'm gonna meet representatives from Europe Russia and China today's Sunday in Vienna in a last ditch effort to salvage the embattled Iran nuclear deal known as the joint comprehensive plan of action the G. C. P. O. A. as you'll hear it often referred to the deal that got around to agree to eliminated stockpile of medium and rich uranium costed stockpile of low enriched uranium by ninety eight percent and reduced by about two thirds the number of its gas centrifuges for thirteen years it was reached in Vienna in July twenty fifteen between Iran and the five permanent members of the U. N. security council China France Russia United Kingdom United States plus Germany together with the E. U. that deal has been on increasingly shaky ground following president trump's decision to withdraw from it last year and to re impose economic sanctions against Iran Tehran added to the tensions earlier this month by breaching limits the deal imposed on its stockpiles of enriched uranium and as if all that wasn't enough their ongoing and escalating hostilities between Iran and the west in the strategic strait of whole moves in the Persian Gulf so is it time to write off the deal it's a question I put to Natalie tachi special adviser to the E. U.'s high representative and vice president Federica Mogherini she's also director of the international affairs institute in Rome apps rising off is too strong a term but it's clear that the deal is that I had guessing into increasingly troubled waters a few weeks ago the U. three slash you had announced that the fast transactions old instincts the special purpose vehicles to allow for local trade between the EU and Iran was not only up and running but it would see its first transactions now that hasn't happened it's clear that the own growing escalation take me in the Gulf has been is playing a big part of the reason why the deal in and of itself is it is in in in deeper deeper trouble now of course that escalation in the Gulf it is taking place precisely because there has been a violation of the J. C. P. away by the United States has the escalation continues it becomes increasingly difficult a politically in natural to technically to summon the will to essentially see this mechanism follow through with its fast transactions let's break that down in sticks as you say this is the special mechanism the European countries have set up so that they can can continue to trade with Iran without running afoul of US sanctions the truth surely is that many European companies and banks won't go with it because they don't believe it'll work well I think what I would be noble if that happens I mean but I think in some respects we really as a stat for will this coin is stop until we get to that first point it is very difficult to assess the way in which companies would would react and if the deal does eventually succumb completely what does the E. you do then well I think you know the the easiest position is and will continue to be aimed at trying to recreate the political conditions not only for the agreement so that comes back in place but eventually sewing the sort of scenes for a political negotiation with Iran also covering regional masses now it took about twelve years in fact almost thirteen years fool back to produce to deliver a meaning to deliver the J. C. can't wait I mean the point is we know that not only do these things take an awfully long time but that is very unfortunate that records they take a very long time to cheat they take very little time to destroy Nestle touchy with her view of the state of that deal I'm joined on the line by the former French diplomat POV more from twenty ten to twenty fifteen he was secretary general the European external action service the European union's foreign ministry and before that he was France's ambassador to the United States have you more welcome to the program thank you hello thank you for inviting me pleasure increasingly troubled waters is how Natalie taught she saw this deal how do you see it now I think she's absolutely right to it so it's getting more and more difficult to inject a little bit of trust in what has become a major confrontation not Tony between the Americans and the Iranians but now most of the year the parties that have been signatories to the chi C. P. away as we called it I'm finding it more and more difficult to set up some pass that could bring an end to that confrontations so the meeting today in Vienna will try to move forward the time I find this very difficult for the moment as long as the tension is there and that those sites namely the Americans and Iranians are taking initiatives that go exactly against any kind and de escalation what's a device would you offer if they came to you and said miss U. V. more how do we bring this back from the brink what would you say I would rather wait no no to try to answer your question I think I would I would try to advise on the step by step approach to the first one being how to put for the time being some sort of freeze on all the moves that both sides are taking a more sanctions on the American side or threat of new sanctions and on the Iranian side stop the many incidents in the Gulf and the straits of hormones which are creating more and more attention and from their own if we manage to get an agreement on on treating the situation at the tears at the moment then tried to start setting up a sort of road map on which both sides could try to to move along and the setting up the there has been talk as you know of setting up the maritime operation to try to protect the three M. navigation in the Gulf try to lift some of the economic sanctions against Iran then moving to older regional matches or issues that not techie talk she was talking about two different crisis and then moving on maybe to something more ambitious which could be some sort of security pact for the whole region the death would come very much later in but it would be something of that sort and incremental approach that foods at TI so or drink down some of the tension and start to build up some sort of trust between the different sites David Kirkpatrick a thought or maybe a a question to be available well just to play devil's advocate for a moment it sounds like you're fairly pessimistic about saving the deal if the hawks in the U. S. government people executives to Pompeii that actually divisor John Bolton what they would say to you is we're winning right we we have successfully imposed sanctions which are actually causing a great deal of pain right now to Iran and so we see spasms of pain from Iran Iran lashing out of the Gulf around making of the gestures but the truth is our pressure is working and this is the way to get a more restrictive covenant out of Iran what do you say that Amy does seem like as the deal collapses at the moment that collapse may be hurting Iran more than it's hurting Washington well I would say two things first one and I would agree with you I think to a very large extent everyone has to accept that the nuclear deal is I would say is over at the chance to state time and again that we should go back to the deal when it is very obvious that the.

Coming up next