Norman Norman, Norman Francis, Half Moon discussed on Oprah's SuperSoul Conversations

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Yeah, that was what that was my moniker. They really called me either Half Moon a quarter moon, son of moon, the Coon, you know, something like that. A pejorative term, all my whole life is not a time when that that those phrases were not. Can kind of use in and around, but it seems to me that you grew up in this culture where you had parents who were for their time extraordinary in their vision of being able to see the human beings, right? Yeah. And even that you are still shaped by culture around you and this is what you and I both know so clearly is that is not even just what your parents tell you, but it's how your father treated other people of color around him. How see your people your parents respond? Yeah, it was. It was. Minorities were less less than it's an excellent. That's an excellent thing to understand much less about what they said because my mother and father went out preachy right? It didn't go like, look, this is the way basically if you ask me to synthesize with my father and mother taught us said, love other people and be fair. That was really just kind of the way they were. But one of the stories that I tell them the book because people said, well, how did you? How'd you daddy get like that? And the truth is that he when he went to law school at Loyola, he became friends very early on with Dr normalcy. Francis people now know normally Francis as the longest serving president of a university in America. He was, as you know, the presidential award, what if we for for taking Xavier university from where it is to where it is today, the graduate more African American doctors than anywhere else. That's the great Norman Francis while he was just my father's best friend back in nineteen fifty six fifty seven fifty eight and my father in Norman Norman, help form of all this. Consciousness about what another human being who is smarter and better looking than him looked like. And so when I asked my father, you know, people said you a courageous, he goes, I didn't necessarily just do it for Norman because it was the just thing to do that. The Jesuits taught us about. He was my friend and if I couldn't be with Norman, I was the worst four. So I was fighting myself just as much as I was fighting for Norman. And so Norman married a woman. They blanche blanche in Norman and Moonen Verna had children together and me and all of my brothers and sisters and all of the Francis kids grew up together. So I tell a story in the book about when I was a kid, I would listen to white people talk to me about black people. They're basically criminals, don't love God. They really not patriotic my personal experience was completely opposite of that. The Francis kids and all the other kids that we live with was smarter, looking better, better athletes, better musicians. But and I kept thinking who who were they who they talking about? Yeah. Even remember when you and your wife or I campaigning that first time you were out. And she said, it's the people of color. The black folks who are inviting you to the home in would even the people, the people who.

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