I graduate of stanford university in full disclosure. I've had you know many evenings. I think where. I just took a bunch of bong rips with the smarter friends than i and ahead very similar conversations about the future of tech and this is even even back in the nineties of something that we all just kind of hang out and kind of think about all the different ramifications very different proposition to be a man getting on planes to be on a presidential ballot and run not even dimension the bus tour. And like you're putting so much energy and like specific kind of activism behind this. How do you get from these kind of really interesting ideas to deciding that like something needs to be done. I'm the guy who's gonna do it. Well so just disclosure i. I'm not gonna win. You probably guessed that already. You're listening to this. Episode is coming out after the primary so we will have already known what what will happen but Okay this will make you very prescient. I guess if it's true but the reality is i'm hoping maybe in eight or twelve years. I will do a lot better and maybe even office someday maybe not the white house but more importantly going back to two thousand sixteen and with hillary and trump. When you look listen to the main debate you don't hear anything about science and technology and yet you know this from being at stanford nothing is changing our world really more than science and technology so you would consider you would at least think that that should be a highlight of the discussion. That's out there and yet. Nobody discusses a nobody discusses genetic editing. Nobody discusses a lot of the ability to cure cancer. Let alone you know like just kind of keep mandating it like a lot of pharmaceutical companies are hoping to do for profits now. I don't wanna get into conspiracy theory. Transhumance wants to eliminate all disease and they want to eliminate suffering and they wanna use science and technology to do that but nobody on the political spectrum of saying that whatsoever. So i'm doing it. Because i'm a journalist by trade and i also voice sort of as a as a minor public figure so i felt like obligated. I hopefully do a pretty good job. We some press we get people thinking about it not sure. We're getting the attention of president trump yet but he president trump huge podcast had no. You'll have to go elsewhere to influence on on that higher level. I think but got it all right. Well let's talk about why you let's start from the beginning. What what is your background. How how take me way back. Well sure i would say my career really began after. I graduated from columbia university and i went into journalism at national geographic. Okay and so for five years. I traveled around the world and wrote something like fifty or sixty articles for their website and also was on their national geographic. Today new show doing a lot of documentary work and so we kind of multimedia approach and it was a great time my life. I was in my twenties covered a lot of conflict zones so saw some horrifying things and what happened is i had a It was in vietnam just covering the demilitarized zone naturally twenty thirty years after the war. And there's a bunch of rice farmers that now dig up bombs that were dropped in vietnam from americans but they're unexploded and they sell the metal but to get there you have to go through these landmine infested kinda jungles almost stepped on one. It freaked me out because my guide can throw me out of the way and said pointed to the ground after covering war zones for a while gets in your head and not worth zones but also just conflict zones and it was that moment in vietnam. When i said. I'm going to stop being. So i'm going to do something to try to overcome death and of course. Trans humanism has been an ongoing movement since the nineties and that's their primary job their primary purpose i would say to use science overcome so i came home join. The movement wrote a novel. The novel did really well. It was called the transhumance wager became a bestseller and it kind of launched my career as a public figure and because i was a journalist i began writing some of the very first transhumance call for vice called transhumance future. I wrote one for psychology today. Some the huffington post now. I do some articles for the new york times. So i've had an art in ability over six years right over two hundred thirty opinion as a essays for major media almost cheerleading trans humanism and up until that point no one had ever been you know optimistic about people have been kinda skeptical. Isn't that literally came from a from a near death. Experience that you had it did but the near death experience has yet to understand. It's kind of based on two or three years of covering other conflicts. I'd covered the sri lanka conflict covered the kashmir conflict between pakistan india. I've been. I've been doing some pretty harrowing stories and it made me. I think it kind of gotten my head. And i wanna say. Ptsd stuff but really it made me think. Wow what if we could overcome death. Would you know maybe we can. We can eliminate war not by stopping war just by stopping death and this was a way a new way of thinking. When it hit me that i could do this. I realized that this is why. I want to dedicate my life to. How did you go about Outside of the media i mean. Tell me tell me about some more of the. I guess the Theatrical things you've done to kind of get that trans humanism flag waved. We'll based. I wrote my novel the transhumance wager. Which did well in that launched my as a public figure in the movement but then it kinda plateau and i was wondering what can i do to really get some attention. I had one big idea that sort of launched. I guess my political career in in two thousand sixteen. I was the nominee for the party. And we're running for president and we had a nice little group of people but we needed a kind of an idea to put our define our campaign and so we needed a bus and we thought okay. What could the bus be and a lot of people want to do a microscope. The bridges you go under and stuff would break it off so we thought okay. let's do a coffin. Let's do a forty foot coffin. That we drive across america and tell america this good news that transhumance one overcome death and it's very possible through the science and technology we just need to give scientists a lot more money and so we outfitted a bus made it look like a cough called the mortality bus and drove it across country. We didn't expect was so much attention to be given and all of a sudden journalists just started embedding themselves. I mean i'm talking like the verge. And your times. I mean they. Everybody wants to be on board for a couple of days. It became a really fun road trip and it took us four months. We're delivering a transhumance. Bill of rights which we posted a upon the us capitol building and Of course the number one thing the transhumance bill of rights was. We should declare aging a disease. That way national institute of health funding could go to and things like that but it was really put on rallies all across the country and a lot of people and we went to. We did things we would go to the biggest mega church in alabama with the bus. Where like there'd be these confrontations. We were escorted out a gun point and all these other things not that it was like nobody was doing. Anybody was doing anything violent but you know it was almost like a protest candidacy. The thing though was one hundred million views and it was over a period of few months. It was just. The attention was great. What what they have a problem.