David David, Abraham, David Amana discussed on Knowing Faith



It's his son that is going to build God's house, and he's looking for a son, you think of Abraham for example, sons, right? Yes. But with Abraham so I guess. Any parallels to Abraham needing offspring into son? Well, we do certainly see that when we get to the child that is conceived as a result of this that that child is the child of the will of man as we see with with Ishmail the child born of the will of his son, the next son. Yes. So that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Is one I'm just wondering if I think that seems like you could retroactively see that played out that way, but I don't feel. David David, not like, I I need the promise son. Now, I do think that when David intercede on a righteous way. You're the right way. I'm not saying he's doing it. I get okay. Now. I do think when we see David, you know, where God says the child is going to die and then David intercedes and asked that the child not die. I do think that that's very similar to intentionally similar to the way we see Abraham say, oh that Ishmail my lip before you. I do think there's that. But I do think to what we're seeing play out is in James chapter one fifteen fourteen and fifteen James says, but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire, then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin and sin when and his fully grown gives forth death brings forth death. So we see that the woman the woman she's referred to becomes pregnant and the child will alternate -ly die. It's an upsetting story. And so I I need to tell people. Who are listening to this? Who were hearing me reference the death of the child and just keep moving. I don't mean to spend only little portion of the emphasis on that. We spent a great deal of time on it in the teaching that we did in the women's class. And I would imagine in the men's classes as well. But it is an aspect of the story that is trying to tell us that when when when the serpent says, you will not surely die that the serpent is a liar. That the death does follow sin. Right. And what we see in. This story is the same pattern of Genesis. Where we see I see I want I take. And then the immediate next thing that begins to happen. In verse six is I conceal which is what Adam and eve do. During the high, and they can't we're gonna get to you the exposing of this with Nathan in chapter twelve in just a minute. But I wanted to pause and just remind the listeners they've been following along with this story isn't David Amana after God's own heart like how does this square with that? And I know we've said that we've kind of distinguished, but could we get talk about how does this square with a man of God's own heart because when people know David that's like the bumper sticker on the Davidson, I mean, this is Jen you helped me see this more than I mean, that's the way I would have read these passages until three years ago until you and I set down, and that's what's about this podcast. For me. Is these podcasts are often just kind of listening into conversations that we're actually having as we do theology together. So maybe just a quick side their key. If you're listening to this don't just listen to us have these conversations with Stalin. South. 'cause that's where we learn that. We just read books and coming here, we're learning in the midst of conversation in like, you can't learn something unless you were wrong or didn't understand in the first place. And so this is something I think I've learned well from Eugene is is this idea that that David is this man to be emulated. And there are things that are meant to be just like any character in the bible or Toby learned from or at least gleaned from. But you helped me see that this is not so much man after God's heart. God's choosing than that helps understand even the gospel so much more. I mean that just clarify so much about what is being accomplished for us by the son of David Wright that I don't need to be man after God's own heart. But that God's heart chose me that I'm a man of God's choosing not because of something in me that some chivalrous or brave or wasn't something about me that God saw looked on the quarter of time and said he is a man after my heart. I'm going to choose him. There is nothing. This is again getting back to Calvinism. This is unconditional election. There is nothing about David that conditioned. God. That's predisposed to him. It wasn't that. He was somehow incr- so different than Saul. As a matter of fact, we see a lot of similarities between him and Saul in these especially in this particular, he's going to take. But it's by God's kind mercy that he chose David and he became a man of guts choosing. Well, I think two of the just the lyric in a money fortress. The did we is my favorite him. Did we in our own strength confide? Our battle would be losing wore not the right man on our side the man of God's own choosing. And I think back to that lyric. I've sung it my whole life, and then to find that it was actually embedded here. In verse second same that idea, but it had become obscured in the phrasing of a man after God's own heart. And again, I think man after God's own heart is a way of expressing that idea. But but in its culturally lost on us because we have so many wrong associations about our hearts in about. And we have this strong impulse to say that. The way that David points to Christ is more often in a positive regard than in a negative regarding. I just I don't think we have to do that. I think that the beauty of Christ is apparent in. Both David's successes if that's the right word and his failures will it's much harder. To till the David story the right ways in it is the way it's often told when we start looking for the textual clues and taking these stories in the context of the whole book. I nothing has no other probably no other story in the bible has shifted so much for me when placed in its context than this one. Because before it's like, you can you really have to just kind of ignore the CD parts, David rife for the really good like look shouldn't. We follow David kind of parts of his life. He's after God's own heart. And then you have to look at somebody about she was like well, look at some fifty one. He did confess. That's still a good thing. You like, yeah. They did good things. He also did bad. Bad things. And that's okay. Because that's how everybody, but Jesus has been. Yeah. Jen.

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