Bob Pinegar, Miran Masa Dodd, Chris Arnold discussed on All Things Considered


It's 5 36. It's all things considered from NPR news. I'm Audie Cornish in Washington and I'm Elsa Chang in Los Angeles. A court ruling that overturned a federal moratorium on evictions is on hold that will come as a relief to millions of tenants behind on their rent during this pandemic. A federal judge said today that her own ruling is on pause because of the public health risks posed by lifting the eviction moratorium. But the outcome of this high stakes court case is still uncertain. We're joined now by NPR's Chris Arnold. Hi, Chris. Hey, Elsa. So just catch us up on this latest development. What did the judge say? Right, So the judge here is federal District Judge Dabney Friedrich, and she was appointed by former President Trump. And just last week, she ruled that the Centers for Disease Control Prevention did not have the power to tell landlords that they cannot evict their own tenants, even during a pandemic and a public health crisis. So last week, she put a short term stay in place after the Justice Department appealed. There was a lot of worry, though, that she might lift that stay and really opened the floodgates to a lot of evictions pretty quickly, But late today, she said, no, The stay will be in place longer as theater peel moves forward, and the judge wrote that the CDC quote Or that the CDC demonstrated that quote lifting the national moratorium will exacerbate the significant public health risks. Interesting. Okay, So what kind of reaction have you been hearing so far from housing groups and others were worried about the CDC is order getting thrown out? Well, Many are very happy about this. Emily bent for as been writing a court brief along with Yale Law School in support of the CDC. This is extraordinary news. People across the country are going to stay housed, at least throughout the next month, and hopefully throughout the entire CDC moratorium. They can apply for rental assistance and they can stay housed. Had it What she's saying. There is is that look, we don't know how long the case will ultimately take to turn out or or how it will turn out. But the appeals process could well take his long as the CDC moratorium is in place anyway. Well, I know that you've been talking to families facing eviction. While all of this litigation has been playing out. What have you been hearing from those tenants? Yeah, One person I've been checking in with during the pandemic is a single dad. He's got a 10 year old daughter. They live in Atlanta is names Miran Masa Dodd, and he just worries about this all the time. Then I put my daughter to bed. I lay down. I can't sleep. I think about these things I get directly on my heart races, my limbs going on it. I've been under distress for for this whole whole year. It's been really tough. And he drives uber for a living. So business was down and he's 59 years old. He was also afraid to work and he couldn't work. Alaska's He's got a 10 year old at home, and s so now he owes more than $15,000 in background. He's got that hanging over his head worrying about eviction. At the same time, they're like, like a lot of us. Some things were getting better. His his daughter had been struggling with remote school. She's back and in person school now and seeing friends. Now she's doing excellent. She's gone from the bottom of the class to summer On top of the crash, she come from smiling, telling me that she got the handed on all subjects that they On my biggest fear is live in paradise. And there still is that fear but But with this ruling people like my said Dodd now have more hope in me. He's applied for rental assistance. It hasn't come through yet. Now he gets more more weeks, maybe months more. Get that money avoided fiction, so he and his daughter can catch up on Renan. Don't end up being homeless. Yeah, well, what do landlords say about all of this? I imagine they hope courts will Eventually uphold the ruling and throw out the eviction moratorium. Yeah, many landlords say, Look, things are getting back to normal. They want control over their properties again. I talked to Bob Pinegar. He's the head of the National Apartment Association. We've been encouraging people to work with the resident but ultimately 90 cents of every rent dollar that has received has to pay for things like a mortgage. Property taxes, upkeep of the property. We end up in a situation that is not viable, sees his look. You know, let's get that rental assistance money to renters and landlords as soon as possible. That is NPR's Chris Arnold. Thank you, Chris. You're welcome. Firefighters across the country where some of the first to be offered the cove in 19 vaccine, But many don't want it in New York and Chicago. Only about half of firefighters have gotten vaccinated. Some places aren't even keeping track. You could Margolis from member station KPCC reports on how one Fire department has helped its crew overcome its hesitancy. Back in the fall. Talk of a covert 19 vaccine was ramping up science and technology looked like they could pull off the impossible. A ray of hope in the darkness as a cure appeared to be on the horizon. Not for everyone. Well when it first came out, I was definitely skeptical. Los Angeles County Firefighter Mickey Juarez wasn't so sure he wanted the vaccine for a number of reasons, the biggest of which was his worry that it could be worse for him than Cove it What is the long term effects? I have pre existing conditions. With our immune deficiency if you will, and I was skeptical whether it would affect me adversely or if it would make my condition worse. He wasn't alone on early survey done by the Los Angeles County Fire Department showed that about 45% of their employees weren't sold on getting the vaccine. Just about around where national trends were At the time. It was a big red flag for L, a county fires medical director Dr Clayton Kazan. He was hearing all sorts of vaccine conspiracy theories and misinformation coming in from his roughly 3000 firefighters, so the department had to figure out a way to change minds. We were all over them about explaining the science doing live Q and A's answering any questions People had trying to Compete against the noise of some of the social media rabbit holes and putting out regular informational videos. Hi, everybody. I'm coming to you from Kobe Bunker today, We're gonna talk a little bit about understanding the stars Cov two vaccine, but they didn't stop there. They decided that if a firefighter wanted to refuse the vaccine, they couldn't just take a box online saying No, thanks. Kazan says firefighters had actually go into a vaccination site and decline in person. If you're sitting on the station with five people who are all kind of grumpy and don't want to get it, it's a lot easier to say no that when you have to show up to an area where You see your friends stepping up and taking it. And now you have a chance to ask your questions, and maybe you'll just kind of roll your eyes and roll up your sleeve..

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