Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani, Kentucky, Republican Party discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

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Is Josh Barrow. And welcome to left. Right and center civilized yet provocative antidote to the self contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and this week. The New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message acid from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Selena Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do. Win This primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today and how you should think about poll all so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry. Editor of National Review on the right and on the left is to Bill Rahman of Demos. We also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello Everyone Hajaj. Hi everybody so. There were elections. Sion's on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about twenty nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state. Any Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding where other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the Ancestral Democratic Base Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which otherwise swung hard toward Republicans. Any made inroads roads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil. What lessons do you see in these results? as Democrats next year so a couple of things. Jump Out I I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the tractor. That's going to change the politics and the policies that combatted that state. And when you compare Virginia and Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as a strong pattern across the different states we'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural Oh counties to in the other direction and we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing though just as you know there is a grain of salt right. It's a twenty nine hundred dollars off your election It's hard to extrapolate extrapolate national trends. It's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to two thousand eighteen But it is a a strong result for the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats it felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia? You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black-faced scandal with the Attorney General and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor honor and some Democrats in that legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme. And what outrage the median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is Marsha right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now suburbs and more rural working working class voters. It's something's going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's his conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans Especially women with the question and we'll I guess dresses in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't. Twenty sixteen. Draw a A broadly are radioactive or at least easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely get over the top again. Arielle is the national story. That simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing being across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in particular race in particular level. I mean you saw that up in Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics. Obviously that's gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship hip is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more. And you know we'll see see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich. The governors are L. notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch. McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's he's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were regularities. He wants a creek canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like he lost? What do you make them? I'm coming out and saying that and then also I mean. What do you make the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost? The five thousand votes is not a a lot you know in the scheme of things. But in the recount of canvas sincere a scenario is huge and the chances overturning that are extremely minimal basically impossible so oh. I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it in Georgia as well. You lost please be grace about it very tough thing personally as hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards how you truly the winter. When clearly weren't deal I as I hear Democrats worrying about you? Know what's the trump to admit. He lost if he loses the twenty two thousand election and this. I've been very worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the ground and Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that it can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know the partly I think you know as as rich as noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes we might see a different situation. And but also it's a parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with my bedroom. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's is the challenge in some ways right. The the the decision making factor here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the Party? The party doesn't go along with it. Then it just becomes sort love slightly embarrassing you know. Stand on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In our democracy precedes in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results. That's right and so so I think I think that's you are right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios there there is such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president that that's where I I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do? He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have a we have other people. We put forward in an electoral contest. And we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a good time for a stock impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans Publican's talking about As it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing that yes somehow message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but Maybe never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to After all trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo And especially in the case of Rudy. Giuliani maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial financial interests. You had all these business interests new crane. Maybe he was using his position. Close to the president. Two pushes own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent and and I think in that context. It's worth considering tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent. This week that looks outwardly. Like defense of the president. But I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation is conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian cranium collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically basically through Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this. In my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple of things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense. Because most of the people we've heard from so far is really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. People that Giuliani and an important specs was freelancing. But I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up the idea on on their own. How how did the defense eight get withheld? According to a two and trump mentioned on on the call talked to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on this soap a month ago when it was still go pretty early? I had a theory. That defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of quid pro quo and it never really got to the Ukrainian. So it's clear. At least it got to the Ukrainians and I still. I know you're skeptic Josh by that Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on. is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations also. This is the. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the simpsons. That's a joke joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say. Well you know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no hell. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is. You know won't get you very far in the real world and we'll get you very far year. It's it's so it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean. These excused freelancing excuse each week. There's a new sort of angle right and they kinda to keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths. So you know. It's it is kind of absurd so I I know you hate this question Richard. I so this still isn't impeachable and I ask again I I wanted because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking about is you know what what exactly was rudy's role when the president says talked to Rudy and you had said I I think accurately presidents have unofficial envoy they have people who are close to them who act as emissaries and that is not inherently inappropriate. That's true but again we have rudy. Giuliani saying here that that he was quote solely unquote acting as a defense defense attorney to to Donald Trump. which is to say that you know whatever he was doing he was not doing it as an unofficial envoy the United States he was doing it as a personal attorney to Donald Trump in his personal capacity isn't isn't that therefore the president using a resource of the United States government? It's foreign policy for what is explicitly a personal purpose yet. What's what do you have talked to your personal? The attorney about if so again this. This is my defense and I hope it doesn't go down in the text books as lowered fence but maybe it will is not just not to say it wasn't improper proper it was. It's a question of the gravity of the fence. And whether that justifies impeaching and removing him from office and I just I do not think that outcome would be better for the country. I could actually make our politics worse and it would be an injury. I think to our politics and our institutions to. It's not just you know partially undoing election. Every impeachment potentially does not fully Redo it. 'cause pence would be the president but to short-circuit reelection campaign pain. That has some significant chance of winning..

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