Robert Shirtless, Kuwait, United States discussed on Dave Ramsey


Sought the right to fight in battle for our country unencumbered by antiquated mandates for male soldiers, however throughout history, this right proved to be allusive and slow to come to fruition. So as far back as the revolutionary war. Those who were determined to fight in combat disguise themselves as men and fought bravely alongside their brothers in arms. We'll never know exact numbers because it often took an injury for a female soldier sex to be revealed. But it's believed that a soldier who went by the name Robert shirtless was among the first American women to fight for her country. Robert shirtless is kind of an amazing person. Robert sherline is actually a woman not a man and Robert shirtless real name is Deborah Sampson. She was the first woman to enlist in the military. It was during the revolutionary war. She actually grew up as in indentured servants for part of her. Her life, and she grew up around boys and she grew up running within firing weapons, and she really wanted to serve her country. And so she's gone way to do that by disguising herself as a man this was long before. Obviously, even the idea of a woman serving in the military was a possibility. So I opened it with her because I really shot like she exemplified this strength and power for women to serve their country. Then saline rivers are US army veteran who served as a linguist in Kuwait after Desert Storm and author of beyond the call three women on the frontline in STAN there have been women who have wanted to serve who has worked really hard to serve and who have figured out a way to put themselves in this position of dedication and service, even when there is no way despite the historic hesitation to allow women full-service rights. Military officials have found that in some cases. The very fact of someone being a woman can be a huge asset to their military service, especially in some Middle Eastern cultures where men and women are expected to serve very different roles in society. Pinner book rivers details. The experiences of three women who served in what the military calls female engagement teams or F E T's circuit the mid-2000s during the Iraq war to minus was really the first group of women and around two thousand three and Iraq who were sort of the first effort at female engagement, so at Junction City, which is the Ford operating base where there's all kind of started. There were officers who realized by nine going into these villages and frisking and interrogating women were reaching all kinds of cultural barriers pushing against cultural norms, and we're really turning potentially friendly villages to enemy villages by doing this. And so they realized we have these women here who are very capable and that we can go out on these missions. So let's send them so they started sending women in groups of two to three out on combat missions with infantry units. And these women were. Are highly dedicated and did a great job at they certainly did it with initially without any drill infantry training. These women who. Who again had other in other jobs since specialties in the military who had never been in combat before. So why don't women always get the same training as their male counterparts. River says the answer is in part because it has proved to be more difficult than they imagined to fully integrate the sexes into the same basic, training classes too. There was one attempt that was in the early eighties. I believe where they try to integrate basic training, and it didn't quite work. And so they put that aside and went back to segregated gender-segregated basic training and then in the ninety s and early ninety s early to mid nineties, which is when I went to basic training, they decided to try it again, gender integration. And so I was in one of the first fully gender, integrated basic training classes at fort Jackson. And I think part of the mission. There was the Gulf war was happening. Women were on the ground with men. It was very clear that the. The idea of a front line was gone that the fight was everywhere that these were guerrilla tactics that were being used in the Middle East, and that wherever you were you had to be prepared to fight and there were women on the ground with men who were fighting. So there's this idea in the military to train as you fight women are going to be around men than women should be training around man. And so that was the concept behind gender integration of basic training. And it worked there were all kinds of doubts about whether it would work. I remember when I hit fort Jackson. There were all kinds of rumors swirling around and then we're going to get pregnant and that we weren't going to be able to train well with men, and we were gonna slow men down. And none of that happened. We provided support for each other men for the women women for the men at times when we needed it and encouragement at times when you get it as well. River says once men and women were allowed to train side by side, it became apparent to the man that women were capable of serving. The country well in combat that validation, but sometimes come even just in the language used to describe them. A is somebody who is hard core. Somebody who is very capable men who proves themselves to there was a quote that I use from somebody and training and the drill instructor said she somebody want around she's a Haas. And by that he meant that. She's a woman who could hold her own. She could go toe to toe with men, and she was a hardcore soldier. In addition to being equals on the battlefield river says that women often excel at one of the most crucial ways the military seeks to defeat an insurgency, which is to gather information about the enemy when rivers was stationed in Kuwait does an Arabic linguist hit was her job together information about the enemy from radio airwaves. But she says her efforts even over an extended period of time. We're nothing compared to the way. Wealth of information. The female engagement teams were able to gather on the ground in a much shorter period. How were they able to do it? One reason may be that traditionally women trust and speak more openly with other women than they trust and talk to man, I was sitting at a desk wearing headphones. I was listening to potential conversations as enemy targets that were miles and miles away from me and the way female engagement teams collected information was they went directly to people who were the victims of the enemy, and they said, what are you seeing in your village when you think people coming through here, what are people saying to recruit young boys in your neighborhood? How are they getting into the village? How are they leaving the village that is immediate actionable information, and then the other thing that female engagement teams were able to do was actually search when they were able to find information that insurgents were hiding on women because they knew that the military was trying to be culturally sensitive and trying to be coached the respectful. So they started thinking, well, they're not going to search are women. Let's hide plots. Let's hide cell phone sim cards. Let's hide all these things that we don't want the military finding on our women and the female engaging teams able to come in and completely circumvent that and say, well, we now have a tool to get that information that she didn't want us to have. So yeah, definitely it's information. But rivers says these female engagement teams did more than just gather information. They went beyond the call to help. These native women in war torn villages, women who were afraid their sons would be recruited by the insurgency women whose children needed medical attention women who just needed someone to talk to members of the female engagement teams listened and they were in a position to help. These women really had perseverance to push the fat mission forward and to help the mission grow. It was very clear that the army wanted these women attached to combat teams in combat units and to go out on those combat missions and interrogate. In frisked women, but women also saw bigger need. They saw females who were in helpless situations with their children. They saw women who could benefit from literacy programs or who could benefit from getting a micro loan. So they could start a business. They saw women who were suffering in abject, poverty and thought how can we also help these women, and I think that's a part of the fight that people don't think about the nation building the diplomacy you fight with more than just weapons. You also fight by helping people kind of economically help themselves to they're not as vulnerable to recruitment. So yeah, I think these women went beyond the call in so many different ways throughout history women have been called upon during wartime challenges again, and again as what rivers calls troops of convenience. They have served without full combat training and without widespread recognition for centuries. Finally in two thousand sixteen. All combat restrictions on women and the US military were lifted making all combat roles. Open to women rivers says she and many fellow female soldiers look forward to the day when there is also such gender parity among officers to read more about the diplomacy of female engagement teams. I lean rivers book beyond the call three women on the front line in Afghanistan. His available.

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