Bill Ryan, CIA, Lynn discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory


To coast, George Noory with you. We are joined by Len Casten had joined the US airforce aviation cadet program after graduating from Cornell University. And while in the air force, he experienced the off. Oh, encounter. That had a profound effect on his life, but it came years later, while working in Washington DC in the sixties, he felt drawn to join the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena, that was nycacc headed up by major Donald ki-ho at the time. Nightcap was the most prestigious organization of the country at the time investigating you affords Len. Welcome back to the program. Judge suppose I joined nightcap to when I was a kid I got my little certificate card and everything else. But God I loved it. Yeah. What a great organization, KO did a great job. And he was the head of it foil. Also. That's right. Exactly that the CIA to. That's a good point. How have you been? I've been fine. I haven't fine and you pretty writing you've got this new book coming out next year dark fleet. I know I've been working on it for about a year. Looking forward to that. We're we might as well book for next year already to get you back. It's going to be published in much. Tell us a little bit. Let's go back a little bit and talk about planets sherpa because that has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was that program? Yeah. Absolutely. It was a it was an interesting. It was an interesting event. Several and you know, you've had Bill Ryan on your show avenue. Yes. We sure. Have. Yeah. Bill knows a lot about Serpa also and also carry Cassidy, it really happened. It actually happened and it was kept under the under rep for a long time, and finally emerged. Thanks, the DIA. They had a lot to do with it. It was a program of what transferring. That can wasn't a back and forth, transferring program. No, we set twelve Americans on, on an alien spaceship to that's too, that planet in nineteen sixty five did they come back. They stayed there for thirteen years. Gosh, reminds me of the ending of that close encounters of the third kind movie remember that seeing the movie was about that actually twelve left only seven came back. Five. Pritam died, and to decide to remain there really. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I'm not sure they liked it. I'm go. What's that was that was a question I asked at contact in the desert this weekend. If you would go on an ET craft one way in not come back. In half the panelist said they not go the other half said they would. I'm doing with I don't know why anyone would say that in advance that they would intend to stay there. That's surprises me because that's that's unlikely to go to a fine planet, one haven't even seen and wanna stay. Yeah. But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they liked it. They're two of them tuned. And in we're was this planet, what system was then? And particularly about thirty nine light years from our sun, our solar system isn't that the same planetary system that we think the Barney, and Betty hill case might have originated from a large system. It's very law system. And there are many, many planets around that particular son, actually actually it's a binary son. Two two two sons there in the system. The that's, that's the reason that our people never had any darkest hour, because there was always one son in the sky. So was always like there, whenever they're close encounters came out late. Seventies, I think. Close encounters came out in, I think it was seventy seventy seven okay in by do you think they fed Spielberg, some of this information? Absolutely. No question whatsoever. He wrote the screenplay in one weekend at the Sherry Netherlands, hotel in New York City, it could not possibly have done that, if he didn't have if he wasn't being fed the information, and he was getting the information from the DIA, did they give him the information because it wanted to start leaking this out or or what happened. Yes. If they, they thought it belonged in the public that the public had a right to know this, because it was an important story. And so the DIA people who released it wanted it known and this was the best way they could do. It was through Spielberg. He just made a tremendous hit with jaws, right? And they thought he thought he was the right guy for it any. Hey did a great job. Oh, it was a great movie. And people still talk about it today is a matter of fact, and that scene, where the twelve twelve people lined up ten minutes to women lined up in our jumpsuit, in number that same point, moving with their sunglasses on and everything else, your they needed strong sunglasses because they knew an advance that the sun was very bright on several special as and Spielberg brought that out Lynn with a lot about it was an amazing program. Both the movie and probably the project circle has the project ended or is it ongoing? No, it did not end we us to relation diplomatic relationship with those that civilization. And there were several other visits back and forth after that. And in the case of one visit which took place at an island in the Pacific. We invited other other countries to attend invited China invited Russia. I mean by the Vatican. The craft that was used to get us back there. Of course, have we ever reversed engineered it? Well, we did yes, we did reverse engineer that craft. And as fact that was that was the so called. Nineteen sixty four craft landed in northern New Mexico. Lonnie's Maura was right one coral that was the one that was the one that was the one that landed at the wrong place. They landed near Sokoto instead of Holloman Air Force base. But then they got finally got a message, and they went back to Holloman and they stayed in orbit, while the other one landed. Was actually sent to craft here. It was that case, the lonnie's immoral case that conveys j Allen Hynek that maybe this is really happening. Hynick was the one that said it was the most convincing case that on record. Exactly exactly, it changed his whole view. It did. Exactly. And because it was a huge egg-shaped craft sitting on the ground on legs and were too small creatures standing in front of it in white uniforms. And when they realized that they were being observed they jumped in and took off. They went for a while. I always thought that that case might have been in experiment with the lunar Lander that they have out there somewhere because of kinda sounded like it. But it but the more I got into it lend the more I realize now one is a more. I saw something from out of this world that incident occurred on April twenty four nineteen sixty four which was the exact date that the aliens had told us they would be coming. That's how it all coincided. It was apps. Absolutely right. On target Lynn. What kind of propulsion system did they have? And do they have? Well, they had anti-matter technology. We know that. But they also knew how to travel through wormholes, and it was in Germany took the only took ten months from one to the point into the other. So it must have been true. It must have been through a wormhole where travelers actually instantaneous, but navigating to and from the entrances to the wormholes, take some time, and that's probably how they how they chewed up the other ten the other nine months. I mean, once you go through a wormhole bending space and time where one end and another end basically touch each other, and you're right. It is instantaneous. Once they do that. Exactly. And we've now learned we've now learned that the, the so-called wormholes are really part of a much larger web at primates the, the whole solar system, like it's like a spider's web. And once you get into the web, then you're you go through a Stargate, and you're traveling instantaneous Lynn when you wrote the book secret journey to planet surp- home, which was back in two thousand thirteen I think, how did you come across the story? How did how did this come to you? Well, I spent two hours in a in a settled craft with Bill, Ryan and hurt. I witness, and he talked about the whole the whole trip now when he when he was talking about it. I mean, did you say Bill? This is way out. Come on. Now he wasn't talking directly to me. He was talking to somebody else. And I was I was listening to it. It's a small small cab. Sure. And he dominated the conversation. I said, you know, it was it was a level of conviction. That convinced me because he definitely he definitely believed it. And it made sense to me. And I started doing the research, right after that trip and he had too much detail to just simply make this up. Exactly. And not only that. But once you go to the website that was put out there by the DIA so much information that it's mind boggling fourteen thousand words in the web on website, which was created by Bill created a website. No. That's where all the information comes from in somehow Carl Sagan, who wrote the book contact was a great astronomer on his own. He was somehow consulted about this. Tell me about that. Yes, he was consulted. Yeah. They, they consulted him because they needed more information about these astronomy, all the astronaut Michael details. And he he provided the information, but he could never admit to it because he was too, too much involved with strana me program at Cornell, and he didn't wanna lose his position by making these making some a nutty claim same, so same university, you went to yes. Yes, he went to Cornell. He was the head of the strana department there. And he was brilliant. He's brilliant. But the whole thing was that. The people who wrote who wrote the website needed his needed his input and. But he wrote, he nevertheless, he did write about it in fiction in fictional form. He wrote the book contact. That's right. So that was really his way of releasing the what he knew about information what he knew about situation because publicly he would always talk about extraterrestrial life out there. But he never admitted publicly that they were here. He kept he couldn't. He couldn't really he has had of these trying to department an Ivy league university. He probably would have lost his job. Yeah. That's that's true. It so he, he took the wiser course and. Nevertheless, he's still become an immortal guy. He's, he's really missing his own right now the agency that ran this department was created for this Defense Intelligence Agency was was that. It was created by president Kennedy nineteen sixty two. Okay. He and McNamara. Secretary of defense they had troubles with CIA is, you know, is everybody knows and kind of threatened to break it up into a thousand pieces. I think you know that. Right. And that part of the reason why he was done in. Yes. Yes. Probably. But that's what motivated him to start the DIA, which was a more comprehensive intelligence agency, that, that took took into account all of all the services, not just the navy or the airforce with the army was all three combined. It was mainly concerned with fun foreign intelligence, who is the CI was supposed to be too. But see, I got more absorbed with, with domestic until exactly. Exa- is, is there an agency that is still overseeing this? Kind of project. But yeah, the DIA still exists. So they're still the, the watchdogs for this. It's grown is grown to be a huge agency. I think it's even larger than the CIA now. Now, the, the aliens from serbo have been called Evans. Well, yeah, one of our people came up with that term because it stands for extraterrestrial biological entity. And that was a very unimagined very animated way to call them even and they got named even stuck there, still even how much cooperation has there been land between them and us. A lot of cooperation we established any diplomatic relationship with the new nine nine visits back and forth. And I'm quite convinced even though I hadn't been reported anywhere. I'm sure that we have now sent around spaceship, there, believe it or not. Gender generally, when they came here, remembering close in counters, of course, it was way out into the hinterlands in the desert by, you know some mountain range where when I came here. Where did they normally land landed at Holloman Air Force base, right next to the whites white sands proving ground?.

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