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This is the balance of power with David Westin on Bloomberg radio still to come this hour we talk to labor secretary Eugene Scalia about the surprise made jobs numbers but first the brutal killing of George Floyd led to a wave of protests across the country and is now being followed by a wave of proposals for police reform I talked to former secretary of homeland security Michael Chertoff about how the protests we've seen across the country have been handled I think everybody recoils with horror and outrage at the video of what looks to be a murder by a police officer against him a man who is incapacitated with his hands handcuffed and I think that really is it a blow had disappeared as a country and that in some ways has a national security impact as well I think most of the demonstrations were peaceful and reflected genuine outrage and concern but not violence there were a minority of people who try to exploit keys hi due to agitate and create violence because of their ideology or in some cases to loot are in order you can carry out a criminal gains but the key is to respond in a way that's effective but measured and respects the constitution and the rule of law I think eventually we got to that place but there was a moment when there was discussion about bringing active duty troops and that would have been really backfired in terms of national security and national unity national security national unity but also would be effective I mean via larger troops are not necessarily trained to do a crowd control node B. act opposite of what you want because you have people who are not properly trained and you would either have an over reaction which would escalate matters or something it was completely misdirected and even example there was an episode in how Washington where a couple of National Guard helicopters flew very low like fifty feet off the ground in a misguided effort and somebody thought up to try to disperse to control the crab now that is a tactic you would use in Fallujah not in Farragut square and a course in a very negative reaction and now they're investigating how this came to be but that's exactly what you don't want to be doing if you're trying to respect free speech and control the crowd in a way that doesn't simply put more gasoline on the fire this awful incident you say a murder really we saw are you sure yeah yeah it's hard to describe it any other way and approaches about come on top of a pandemic and shut down an economic severe downturn how do you put all those things together can we reopen just affect our re opening plans well I think you know whether it has been re opening yeah it's been laid out in every jurisdiction that generally speaking is staging a way to be gradual and make sure you're not reverting back to significant increase in the number of mutations now I will say that with the demonstrations Jewish two things first of all somebody re opening actually got delayed because people who might have opened up a restaurant chili's for outside seating kept him shot because they were concerned about violence in the street more seriously I'm concerned I think everybody is that the proximity of people particularly if they were not wearing masks could actually result in a spike up in the incidence of the virus and then that would wind up dialing us back to a more lockdown situation hopefully enough people wore masks and the fact that they were outside will mitigate that possibility but we will not know for a couple weeks do you have additional thoughts was of the proposals for police reform things like a national registry limiting the immunity of police officers barring certain actors like chuckles does it make sense of a federal standard on that well I think you want to have a federal minimum standard just like we do have a right to and that's a federal standard he exact weight applies in practice may have to be Keller depending on the jurisdiction but there's no question that there is a national interest in preserving protecting civil rights of a minority as everybody else and there has been a disturbing escalation and unexplained police violence that is troubling and me to re calibrate how we use the police and what we expected the police finally on is somewhat different but it really very important subject what about the issue of of mail in ballots of different ways about it because a lot of people are concerned about the possibly going to two polling places come November the president said it released a fraud it can't be relied upon there is concern about how we maintain the security particularly given the extras we've had recently with Russia and others of trying to tamper with our system so I would say first of all there's no evidence of widespread fraud involving mail in ballots I was years ago actually prosecuted cases of someone committing a fraud with Malan Babson he balanced rate ten votes I do see no evidence of that he is by the way much more secure than any kind of online voting would be and I'm sure in terms of Russian tampering I would not worry about mail in ballots I would be concerned about making sure we get the balance to people quickly so it's not a last minute issue with the postal service and that we also encourage him to return your votes early enough so we can you know act correct him and then tabulate but there are a couple things I would be careful about first of all we need to make sure we secure and enhance the security of the databases we use that collect information about who's registered to vote we also need to have a paper backup service or is it an attack which I'm having compassion cage the online registry would go back and look manly thanks to Chertoff group executive chairman Michael Chertoff coming up we talked to labor secretary Eugene Scalia about the surprise me jobs numbers and what effect did the shutdown have on the pandemic professor Solomon schon has the results of his study covering several countries you're 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