United States, Inter-Clan, Dr Goodell discussed on A VerySpatial Podcast

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Together. Ethics is kind of a a weird topic. It's in the sense of I think we've discussed put in the past. But it's a add on almost attack on the and should be ethical, and we'll waves treat it. Yeah. And that's that's a problem. I guess I because it it, you know, there's ethics too. But we don't I I don't think there's any. I don't know this for certain, but an almost bet that there's no more than one school in the United States that has a class devoted to nothing. But ethics and geography, I doubt there's any. But there may be one. I'm sure somebody's gonna what about this place for the first time this semester, actually in the GS minor that I put together our philosophy department had a class called technology and human value, and I actually put that into this option in the the GI's minor, and I finally have students, but the first time they've offered it in years. So I have students taking it because I wish I wish. Requirement and but it's a more broad crusher. Right because we've dealt with many of these topics over the years in the podcast, the big the the questions about things like human terrain and all of that. But it is one of those things, especially if you come to two G, I S as a way to supplement another domain area that you're in a you may not. You just may not bring in any kind of, you know, questioning of technology in general or what it should be used for because that's not part necessarily of the training experience. And since I'm in the education field, right? That that's done up to me to introduce the question of very often. And I'm surprised by. The notion sometimes that we don't have to worry about this that the notion that the technology somehow can't be used for that in the software than someone else's already okayed it. Yeah, that's right. That's okay. Because somebody thought about this as like, no not. Okay. And and yet, they're Bethel d-. And I I'll go back to example. I've used many times, right? Just really quick, right. The one million tweet map there still baffled that that kind of stuff for all that they may have grown up with digital things and give their data way. And we just had this discussion in inter-clan in a class. I just had this week about the fact that you could map Snapchat, which was supposed to be something where you couldn't save all that stuff. Like, look it's out there. Right. You're always constantly clicking on things that gave you permission or give somebody else permission to to use data. You are a sensor we've had the talk. I mean, Dr Goodell talking about you know, his getting into g I and things like that. I mean that was part of part of it too. Is that it can't be volunteered? But just as much as. There are things volunteered. There are things that are not. And when you're on the side to exploit those then you I think the the ethics part of it really really does need to be a core thing, but it's been difficult to figure out how to how to get it in at the right time while in there, there's also just jump in before Frank real quick. The the biggest problem somewhat with that somewhat. But completely with ethics and GIS or ethics and geography is that one of the things is that while we understand ethics and while we can discuss ethics, and we can sign agreement says the G I S P or other certification to follow the ethics that are outlined. We're not at the cysts. We are not philosophers who focus on ethics and there are a lot of nuances that are hard for us to convey. Well. And perhaps even understand well because we're not in that particular frame. So we should discuss it, and we can discuss it. But at the same time it it is actually an entire field. Whenever you want to get into this idea of ethics. Yeah. I mean, it's the classic problem that people are having trouble with now, and I can never remember the name of it. But St. you know, do you kill a person instead of hitting three children, you know, on a train thing. That's this sort of stuff that they contend with and automated cars are dealing with this Mary issue at some level whether implicitly expertly, so it's not like these problems don't come up, and we should have some way of grasping with them. But you know, when it comes to, for example, the the button that you said somebody has thought about it. And the extent of their thought was could I never asked. Should I said could. Yeah, I do this. Let's do that. That's cool. And that's a problem. Because I think this goes back to GS in society. I think the way we have dealt with it. And as a disappoint is to question, the very foundations of Jesus entirely and say, should we even be doing anything like this? Which is I don't think a productive way to incorporate ethics into geography and G I personally because it's going to happen. Whether you want to get involved or not. And I think that you're right. We don't know how to grapple with it. Which is why we don't grapple with it. Even though, you know, like, you said, we get a form you get your jazz PD gonna form it says, I will do things. But what does that mean? And I think that most people interpret that as if I think it's okay, it's okay. Which is not as a goal inherently. Well. We again, there's a whole other thing to go along with this that we could go into and maybe we will one day talk about ethics as general concept and geography but going back to the button. There's nothing inherently wrong with the button 'cause it's situated, right? Sometimes this button is an awesome button in sometimes ethically. That button shouldn't be used whatever technology were talking about. And so for the people who are creating the technologies they can't necessarily limit those places where it's completely usable completely relevant completely useful. And you know, they can't put a kind of a gate on it to say. Okay. We'll you're doing it this way. So it's appropriate. You're doing it this way. So it's not I mean one it's not their job to do that. But just like any tool. There's both good ways and not so

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