Leslie, and before you go to the phones to other questions, one is returning to the subject of a reincarnated kids. They come out with these incredible stories. They're terrorized and try to remember what the phrases were that They kind of intimate that they're not supposed to talk about it that it's against the rules for them to reveal this stuff, and it made me wonder. What's going on there is there. What are the rules? Why do some people come back and doesn't mean we all do our only some and then? Makes me also wonder how many cases there are here in the in the West and the U. S and religious households where the parents just tell him to shut up. This is demonic. I don't want to hear about it, and then the kids eventually outgrow it. And And the memories fade. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that happens, George because you know, even with the kids, we cover that there was one parent who was very resistant to it. So if you've got two parents, I mean many, many times, the kid's air told Oh, you're just dreaming. It's just a dream and then It's sort of shuts down. The kid might might give a few other memories, but the parents think it's just sort of fantasy, and they don't think anything of it so It's the parents that have the alertness and the awareness of the service. Strangeness of what's happening in that kind of allow their child to express it. They're not Pushing them to do it. But like with these Children that just comes out very naturally at the moment when the child feels like there's somehow comes up. Oh, yeah, I'm sure especially in this culture George. There's so many families that Justin Just because of their attitudes. The child never really comes out with all of it, and it just gets buried. I think there are other cultures, of course, where it's more expected, like and you know Asian countries India and Burma and places like that. And those were the countries that were research was originally done. On these cases by young Stephenson. In from the University of Virginia. Because in those cultures there were there was a freedom for people to talk about it because it's part of their belief system, so that makes it easier. But that's not the case in this country, so we don't know how many times it happens that Cases. They're shut down, but I'm sure it happens quite a lot. One UFO question. Um, you know, you and your colleagues wrote that story, December 2017. I haven't talked to you on the air about since then, but you know, it's changed UFO subject forever, so many ripples that were still feeling. Can you just share with us what the experience was like and seeing what a profound effect it's had on this subject that you've covered for so long. Yeah. I mean, it's been really, really exciting. I mean that story, You know, for me as a journalist who's been covering UFO's for 20 years and to suddenly you know, I don't Yeah, I've been about 20 at that time. So suddenly be breaking news on the front page of The New York Times News That was really significant. It was like the pinnacle of my career as a journalist. I mean, I never had a moment like this. It was absolutely Life changing, really. On gifts? Yeah. Which wonderful to see the effect that it had. I mean, I'm just so glad that You know, the story was able to change things the way it has, and I think the subsequent stories we did also One. A year later about the Roosevelt cases also had a big assessed. You know where the Navy was actually willing to acknowledge that these things were happening, and we got freedom of information Act, you know, reports from those cases. Yeah, I mean, it's been really Amazing ride George and It was just thrilling and exciting, hard work. But really, really thrilling to see what it happened with it. I don't know how else to describe it. And how is the New York Times on this topic now in general, I mean, for you know, decades ago, you'd see a story or two here and there that they take right down the middle seriously, and then it was sort of a forbidden topic for a long time. I can imagine what a heavy lift it was to get this through. Editors and I've heard stories about pushback. I know that, you know, looking at the readership, the reactions that these were highly read stories that they must have made a dent and people realize that the paper that while this topic is of interest to the public, but I doubt I tend to doubt that there I hard one assigned a UFO story every month. No, exactly. I mean, there's a very, very high bar in New York times on. That's one of the reasons that the stories carry so much weight. You know, you can't just sort of go in and write about the latest thing like you might be able to do in a block or something. You know, it's got to have There's a lot of need to. It's got to be government related. It's got to be something really new and exciting. It's gotta be ground, breaking those kinds of stories that there don't go for, but We are my colleague Ralph Blumenthal and I are always looking for what we could bring next to the New York Times, But we know That most of the stuff we ran across. We're not gonna be able to bring to the New York Times. It's really frustrating, so we have to get it at a certain level. That to interest the editors there and but they're always there interested. I mean, they want additional stories on this topic. We have definitely changed the attitudes of the New York Times They are now recognizing. This is a valid subject worthy of coverage, and they're willing to do more of it. As long as we can find the stories that they Field to be or so you know, at the level that the times need them to be at and so that's our task. Let's take a couple of calls west of the Rockies. John in Oregon, by John You're on with Leslie Kean..