David Brooks, New York Times, Dwight Eisenhower discussed on KindredCast: Insights From Dealmakers & Thought Leaders


Today we close out our summer inspiration series where we've been looking back at. Some of kindred cast's most exhilarating moments and what better way to wrap things up than with new york times columnist and bestselling author. David brooks lion tree three ceo r._a._m. Borakove spoke to him on the eve of the release of his latest book. The second mountain the quest for more life and david laid bare the impetus behind hind what has become his newest bestseller to hear the full show checkout episode fifty also be sure to subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast so you never miss a new episode apps out when we return in the fall. I'm honored to be sitting here with with david brooks. Who's the award winning new york times op ed columnist and also the author of one of my favorite books the road to character. It's been the source of a lot of life lessons for me. As i built my life my family my career here at lyon tree and i really appreciate your sitting with us today. Oh it's a pleasure turn. Thank you for the kind words about the book mental meteorite it. I missed that book. I was fun to write that book so i miss work in but you actually say in the manuscript that i read for a forthcoming book that you you have coming out in april. Call the second mountain the quest for moral life that the rotor character left you satiated but a bit unsatisfied an approach this next book so tell me about that a little bit yeah so the road character was about the core idea and that was the difference between the resume virtues and the eulogy virtues the resume virtues of the things that make us good at our job and eulogy virtues of the things they say about us after we're dead whether honorable courageous capable of great love and we all know the eulogy virtues are more important jordan who tend to be more intentional the resume and so like how do you build up those eulogy virtues and the core argument of the book was that you figure out what your key weakness and you combat combat so if for dwight eisenhower was one of the characters in the book was anger he was just an angry guy a lot of hatred a lot of passion and he worked on that every day to be cheerful leader an optimistic leader and he really worked for him. He built a new personality and i think that is part of character development but going through stuff in my own life you learn more. I came seem to think that book was too individualistic that most of the what we do and the way we form our character is by our giving ourselves to others and not paying attention to ourselves and the internal l. drama ourselves but by simply giving ourselves to others more selfless and i mean that not just being selfless but making specific commitments to specific things so for example. I kid i sent him joshua. He was born many years ago now but when he was born he had a super low apgar score. We didn't know it was going to happen to the kid and so that first night was very scary. Sorry i remember asking sposi doesn't live out tonight. We'll have been worth it for his mother and i have a lifetime of grief and before a kid i would've thought no way he would not even aware of his life. I for thirty minutes. Whatever but after born you you get sucked into a commitment that you didn't even know what's possible right and so you want to be there for the kid you want to do things for them taking out for a walk and you suddenly become because you're captured by a commitment. You become a slightly better person overtime. That's earning does right so before we get a second. Let's talk about the first mountain and you are very very prophetic when it comes to the stages of life and this first mountain we can all identify with because we're building. We leave school university. You come out of school. You build a life yourself. The big family build a career. You try to excel that. We're we know so many high achievers and then you start to think about things and we'll words that really gonna take me and and you get to a point in your life were you valley heating your thesis and that valley can be personal midlife crisis speak it could be professional rational. It could be societal and i can't think of a better time right now. Then today will were hitting the valley in so so many ways like what's the political system. Look like really this is tough. Everyone wakes up a bit of a heaviness. What's the media look like it's all transforming where the technology platforms really stand for. What's our society really about and so i feel like we're in this valley so obviously you've time the book perfectly getting close. I was wondering how it would feel but i i think the timing is pretty good. Partly you know even the michael cohen. Hearings people are like i on political level which our political system going on a social level you know the rise of suicides the the right of opiate addiction the lies of loneliness and distrust rising mental health problems and then just as you say people just feel heavy that lack of trust in our institutions and i think it's a member of media institution you know the industry than i do but we struggle with getting people to trust us so we're not fake news and so just this tide of alienation and and i think you know one of the lessons of the book is when you're in a tough time you're either broken or your broken open and if you're broken you turn scared and angry and bitter. There's a phrase i love have pain that is not transformed is transmitted so if you don't know what to do with your own pain you tend to pass it along to the project but when you're broken open then you go go deeper into yourself and you realize what's at the core of yourself which in the book is your heart and your soul your desire to attach to other people designed to attach to an ideal and you realize those those are the desires of the most important desires and you say my first mountains great. I'm not against i but i found something better and i'm gonna have a second man and that second mound when you start to climb i'm out of the valley on that second mountain that.

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