Phoebe, John Lill, John Lee discussed on Weekend Edition Sunday
As a sunset Chamisa. Makes his third campaign stop of the day at? A town outside Herati election day is Monday the hope for change. Here is publ. Thousands of people gather at a field to welcome Chamisa Ruth Milano a fifty something mother of two with two kids can't contain her excitement She's dancing singing little of the crowd she's sick, and, tired of, the old guard she says she loves Chamisa because he's young Impair news Herati Phoebe. Lynn and will KENDALL meet at. A prestigious east coast college and they begin. Dating will has just transferred from, a bible college Phoebe has abandoned the music career she dreamed of will has lost his religion while Phoebe has. Lost her mother having over their, grief and guilt is a violent. Religious cult that seems to. Offer Phoebe away out the novel the incendiaries begins with an explosion a building. Walls and. People die it's RO Kwan's. First novel she. Joined me from our studios in San. Francisco to. Talk about it welcome thank you thank you, for having me I'm so excited this story is told from three perspectives there's, will there's Phoebe and there's another character John Lill who is the leader of that, Christian called the Phoebe, joins, explained to us. Phoebe started out. As a young woman. Who drinks and has having fun at parties. But there's something missing obviously and there's this Of, her mother, dying tell us more about that it's true she doesn't. Really have a sense of purpose not only has she lost her. Mother but not long before she. Comes to college she's given up the piano. And she really did believe that, she was going to be a professional pianist and so she is a was a very ambitious woman a very. Driven woman a very disciplined women, who no longer has any of. That to to give her. Life structure and so she's drawn to both well and to John Lee all. For different. Reasons but they both offer. They John Leila. We'll do not lack for discipline or. Structure or. Or a sense of purpose but as she's, pulled into this called will starts wanting to save her but Kenny Kenny save, Phoebe well has a desire to save people in general it was part of what, made him such an, effective. Christian and such Ineffective evangelist and so I think that that definitely bleeds over into, his relationship, with, Phoebe and now he doesn't seem likely he doesn't seem likely. To succeed and then there's John Leo who is a bit shady fascinating But, you never get inside him and, you're never venture if his story is true Lee. All he tells fascinating stories about himself about having volunteered at the North Korea China border about having been in the North Korean gulag and in? A lot of ways it's, hard to, tell what's real and what's not and is it also, possibly accurate to say, for a a creator and leader of a cult, that, it's pretty. Hard to get inside their heads I suppose I should say say yes that. I don't worry my my family and my parents but in some, ways John Lill was the easiest for me to write. Yes What we've heard about. That I think I think John So much of his appeal is dependent on language on. The stories you can tell and so I think. I was never an occult but at some point I wasn't involved with a youth group that was so absorbing that a lot, of our parents were concerned it might be a call, to it wasn't But I had. My own experiences with charismatic preachers with charismatic leaders and I think I was accessing. A part of me that that not only love, that and I was drawn to that but channel that you write about Will's loss of religion quite beautifully read for us a, little section about his inner thoughts. On that Okay I tried not to leave the. Faith I'd had such purpose living in single minded pursuit of. God I loved until the. Afternoon I knelt in my bedroom asking one last time for assign white guys curtains rippled I, waited but I heard nothing. Else Muscle stiff. I got up I should I think have told Phoebe how, cut open I felt since then with the God shaped hole. At, didn't know. How to. Fell if I was sick of. Christ it was because I haven't? Been. Able to stop loving him this made up ghost Iztok read. As though he'd been real I understand that you yourself had a difficult, separation from. Religion yes I did I did it was it was extremely painful you were raised as, a Catholic yes I was raised as a Catholic by at my most religious I was spending a lot of time going to. Various to my friends Protestant churches I grew up in, a town and in a school that's predominantly Asian American in LA and it's also on. Top of that predominantly Korean-American which is what. I am and the churches I went to were very fervid. There was a lot of. People falling to the floor a lot of people talking in tongues as a very charismatic Christianity, and I loved it so So much so. Wonderful and, for me, it was it, was not only. So painful to leave the face it remains painful I'm still grieving it I still. Love God is what I've realized, over time it's just that I don't think he's real Augustine. Has aligned that I love that to say I love you, is to say I want you to be and I think. That's, how I. Feel about. The Christian God all of your. Characters are hurting they're in their? Own. Worlds of pain so how does this question of God and. Religion and belief and something to to have to heal the pain I, suppose you. Would say how does that bring them together and also puts them at odds I think, that when people are I think when people are grieving and in pain or at least I know I did I tend to. Shy away from generalizations I know when I'm her and, I'm in pain I become are open to an elsewhere and so, I think that from. Characters To they're open to other kinds? Of answers in the ones that, they've been than the ones that they've been using they have that in common but they. Do of course end up coming to. Different answers are Kwan's first novel is the incendiaries, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you thank you for having me Skaggs is out with a new album called out of, the blues.