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Peters to the house impeachment managers the table of seven impeachment managers appear to be debating over who will take this question the sort of bigger picture legal questions have often landed on house intelligence German Adam Schiff the lead house impeachment manager he got up any sitting back down and deferring to the Lofgren a Democrat from California and the only member of Congress to open on Capitol Hill has three impeachment and senators the answer is no just as although this is not a criminal offense if you attempted murder but didn't succeed you would not be innocent resident has attempted to up in the constitutional order for his own personal benefit he used the powers of a list which lie to Levin up if we could he has used the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference and we know this by the president's own statements the acting chief of staff confession substantial documentary evidence and witness a testimony and this has grave consequences for our national security for threatened election security as well as undermining US credibility and our values abroad now because the president continues to act in this manner we believe that this is an ongoing threat here while the impeachment was going on the president's personal lawyer Mister guiliani was in Ukraine continuing this scheme and when he landed he was still taxing the president he were on the phone in the present was asking him what did you get what did you get so this is an ongoing matter the fact that he had to release the aid after his scheme was revealed does not and the problem now I have listened with great interest to the back and forth in the questions it's hard because I want to stand up and answer all the questions that I cared but I do think that that the president has made clear that he believes he can do what ever he wants whatever he wants and there's no constraint that is being recognized by the Congress Mr Mulvaney as we've noted has acknowledged that the president directly tied his hold on military aid to his desire to get Ukraine to conduct a political investigation and they told us to just get over it now the president's lawyers who suggested we should not believe our eyes when Mr Mulvaney when I was a kid they say don't believe your lying eyes because he walked that back later we have an opportunity actually to hear from a witness who directly spoke to the president who currently can tell us that the president told him that the only reason why this aid was held up was to get dirt on the Democrats now if we just think about it put Ukraine to one side if the chief executive called the department of justice and said I want you to investigate my political opponents I want you to announce an investigation there wouldn't be any question that that would be an improper use of presidential power it is really no different when you involve a foreign government except that is worse because one of the things that the founders worried about was involvement of foreign governments in our matters in our election so yes the fact that he didn't succeed in that particular instance does not mean that we are safe and the idea and I was stunned to hear that now apparently it's okay for the president to gather information from foreign governments in an election that's news to me you know the the the election campaign laws prohibit accepting anything of value a thing of value is information if you or I accept accepted a material information from a source of email database is a light without paying for it or from a foreign nation that would be legal the thought that this as we go forward in this trial itself we are creating additional dangers to the nation by suggesting that things that have long been prohibited are now suddenly going to be okay because they've been asserted in the president's defense I yield back Mister Chief Justice the senator from Wyoming Mister Chief Justice I send a question to the desk on behalf of myself and senators rich Polly and Moran thank you that is Republican senator John Brosseau of Wyoming a member of party leadership and also one of the president's most forceful defenders in recent weeks on Capitol Hill he along with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have been making the case to their colleagues that they do not need to vote on a motion to reconsider more witness testimony or more evidence as my Ming also was later from senator Brasso and the other senators for counsel to the president can the Senate convict a sitting U. S. president of obstruction of Congress for exercising the president's constitutional authorities or rights this is White House counsel Patrick Philbin responding to Mister.

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