United States, DNC, Naomi Klein discussed on Democracy Now! Audio


Hi I'm Amy Goodman. You Count on democracy now to stay focused on the stories that matter most we count on you to support our independent journalism democracy micro now is funded by you not by the oil the gas and the coal companies when we covered the climate crisis not by the weapons manufacturers when we cover war if everyone everyone who tunes into this podcast gave just four dollars we could cover our operating costs for the entire year really that's all it would take please do your part today by visiting us at democracy now dot. Org and thank you so much. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot org the warrant piece report. Naomi Klein is out with her new book. Today it's called on fire the burning case for for a green new deal and she joins us in studio for part two of our conversation. Naomi we ended part one of our conversation by talking about the presidential official candidates playing a clip of Bernie Sanders talking about the green new deal playing a clip of Senator Elizabeth Warren. I WANNA get your overall picture now about this debate within within the Democratic Party how much focus on the climate crisis with the DNC holding a vote the Democratic National Committee Tom Perez the chairman of the DNC prevailing linked. There would not be a debate specifically on the climate crisis because he another say before you know it they'll be debate on every other issue. How do you respond well. I I think it's a fundamental failure to understand the intersectional nature of this crisis right. I mean the climate crisis impacts everything from economic inequality to international relations to war to whether or not we're going to have a fair economic system to femicide Emma side. I mean in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria. We have seen a huge spike in domestic violence in murders of women. Basically climate change makes everything worse. I write whatever the stresses your society is under you add climate stresses on top of that and it gets worse so there are ways of talking about climate change indeed we need to be talking about climate change in an intersectional way that shows how we can't pry apart from from all of these other issues in the absence of the DNC that gets this that is going to create a platform for candidates to talk about how these issues are connected. We really have to rely on the candidates themselves who say they support a green new deal to do it in their stump speeches in a non climate theme debates. They can't wait for moderators to ask them about climate change. I mean if you say you support a green new deal which most of the candidates the say they do not Biden. Most of the other leading candidates say that they do. You can't wait for the moderator to ask you specifically weekly about climate change. This is your economic plan. This is related to what what your foreign policy is. This is related to your racial justice platform so this this is really the story of the next economy so the the candidates need to seize the reins and I think some of them are doing a better job than others. I think actually frankly all of them have a lot of work to do to really weave this into the stump speech so you're not waiting for the DNC. Hand you the opportunity to talk about your holistic. Nick Vision so evaluate the candidates positions on the climate crisis where you think they stand okay well. I don't have time to go through each one I think that the idea that that Joe Biden is a safe choice is not true on any level. I don't think he's safe electorally but I also so don't think that he's safe when it comes to climate because he's still within this paradigm of you know we can't spend too much. We can't do too much you know this `incrementalist approach that that actually leads us to this incredibly unsafe place which is a warming world of three to four degrees additional warming so but set by the the side. I don't think it will come as a huge surprise to your listeners and viewers and I'm not Biden Fan. I think the biggest difference that that I would point to has to do with Sanders and Warren as it relates to climate and war and to climate and and International Affairs I you know I think they both have some very very strong climate policies. I think it was very good that Warren adopted so much of of INS lease platform warm sanders is talking about spending a lot more money that is significant but he's also talking about spending a lot more money internationally one of the things that we're hearing from a lot of different candidates Bates including Warren is that the US can lead by example and warned talks about economic patriotism as it relates to the green economy so basically spend a lot of money converting US manufacturing to you know from manufacturing the infrastructure of a fossil also fuel economy to a green economy so solar panels wind turbines and then sell those products to the world right. I don't think that's economic patriotism. I think economic imperialism realism I think the US doesn't lead by example the US has to lead based on historical responsible responsibility the US is the world's largest historical circle emitter it is embedded within the treaties that the US has signed the climate treaties the US has signed that the US owes a debt to the global double south to have the resources to develop their own economies so I don't have to just by made in the US solar panels they need to be able to to develop their own green green manufacturing and they do need resources from the US and other large historical committed to leapfrog over fossil fuels to get that economy at also to prepare for the impacts packs of climate change that are already locked in so I think Sandra's honestly is the only candidate that is really reckoning with that historical responsibilities talking about spending two hundred billion in dollars for climate financing and this is really the first time we've had that that type of approach another big difference that I think is worth really wrestling with has to do with what Sandra's talked about in terms of greening the military it is true that the that the US military is a major procure of good and it would make a big difference if it was procuring goods that were low-carbon but the fact is that war itself is an ecological disaster and most of the wars that the the United States fights are in areas with a whole lot of oil and that is not by coincidence so I think the idea that we battle climate change by painting painting the Military Green frankly a bit of an absurdity. I understand why people think that it is more politically palatable but I think we need to be honest about the fact that you know. We need to get a lot of the money that is currently being spent on arms on these disastrous wars disastrous from on every three level first and foremost humanitarian disasters but also ecological disasters. We need to move that money over to building a peaceful and just and zero carbon economy now make line. I want to thank you for being with us. People should go to part one of the discussion that Long Alison. I have with Naomi Klein on in her new book out today on fire the burning case for green new deal. Naomi Klein is the renown author also author of this changes everything capitalism versus the climate and the shock doctrine and no logo and more she's a correspondent at the intercept and the inaugural Gloria Steinem chair of media culture and feminist studies at Rutgers University to see part one of our discussion. Go to democracy now dot ORG. I'm Amy Goodman. Thanks so much..

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