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"We have a lot in the beat tonight. White House disarray with the president ousting top national security advisor via tweet and reports trump is already lying about the dispute also tonight House Democrats Democrats certainly subpoena the Pentagon have officers used. US Tax dollars to stay at a trump resort story that keeps picking up legs and Republicans facing this do over election which I just mentioned with chuck after getting busted for election fraud which has trump on defense but we begin with the breaking news out of Washington a chaotic day at the White House President trump out his third national security adviser John Bolton with a tweet the move clearly surprise to some White House staff who still had Bolton Bolton slated to appear at a White House event today now why did Donald Trump remove Bolton foreign policy figure widely known for his hawkish views. Well trump understood that he told bolden last night he was out because he strongly disagreed with those views you take Donald Trump's word. He apparently suddenly discovered on the job what Bolton thinks as if the former Fox analyst views. We're not clear when he was hired. You know who doesn't take the president's Word John Bolton himself who flatly accused trump of lying by offering a different account saying he was offering to leave last night and then trump said quote according to Bolton. Let's talk about it tomorrow and then telling NBC I offered to resign last night. He never asked for it directly directly or indirectly. I slept on it and resigned this morning. What everyone thinks of John Bolton's ideology. There wouldn't seem to be a ton of incentive for him to pick a a random fight with his old boss based on a lie and his allies at Fox News were quick to report Bolton's version of events to trump's base. John both just texted me just now. He's watching yeah. He said let's be clear. I resigned and I said do you mind. If I say that while you we're talking and he wrote yes so John. Boehner told me texted me said I resigned. If the Fox there gives you any sensitivity of ood night there might be a reason last time. Donald trump fired or national security adviser removing. HR McMaster last spring and Hiring Bolton the whole thing became official has went on Fox News about forty five minutes later You're now former. US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton or Fox News contributor good to have you here this evening. Sir Your Reaction Action to your new job well. I think I still am a Fox News contributor. I think I I didn't well. I haven't started there so that demonstrates. I think the limbo that that I'm in because I didn't really expect that announcement. this this afternoon tin expect the announcement for one of the most important national security jobs in America. You might say tonight that Bolton's Kinda ended the way it began surprise announcements apparent organization and of course a live feed of all the drama on Fox News but I want to be clear with you tonight as well. This isn't just about drama. This is about National Security Policy Policy in the trump era with Bolton the hawk arguing he had to be the voice of reason opposing trump's longshot plan to bring Taliban leaders to Camp David around nine eleven. What could go wrong to officials say that that objection which by the way was shared by people in both parties to the tunnel trump's idea was for him quote the last astral when it leaked Volna reportedly opposing trump and a high stakes meeting about that in the situation room and in a cabinet. Let's remember often features obsequious and ridiculous Ellis praised for Donald Trump well. It's clear Bolton was reportedly willing to stand up to what he saw. As batter dangerous foreign policy ideas he had that type of backbone. Whether you agree with his alternative ideas now maybe something he has in common with his predecessor because trump has now actually had three national security advisers. There's the third one announcing he was out in the tweet but before that of course Bolton before him there was HR McMaster who ranked trump so much he was regularly doing quote Derogatory Dettori impressions of him and his absence but tonight there are actually new reports that when things got sour with Bolton trump started calling on McMaster as him for his is it vice and saying he even missed his prior national security adviser and if you go back a little further before McMaster of course you have trump's first and briefest National Security Adviser Michael Flynn when was fired like the other two who actually happens to be back in court today receiving a new sentencing date after he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the WPRO Flynn was one of the very first in a long line of trump staffers who are out the door record-breaking turnover. He may not be the last but on his way out John Bolton is is doing something as I mentioned different than some other people in and outside the administration he worked for Donald Trump. He tried to serve him. He may agree with him about certain stuff but he is tonight. Essentially actually calling donald trump the president a liar and he's promising to say more soon telling The Washington Post Robert Costa quote. I will have my say in due course but I have given can you the facts on the resignation. I'm doing right now why Rick Stengel former undersecretary stay bomb administration former managing editor of Time magazine. Shell Goldberg From The New York Times and MSNBC TEAR Alice Malcolm Nance the author of the plot to destroy democracy good evening everyone. I start with you. What does it tell you do that. Mr Bolton who I think I know from your diplomacy is not someone you agree with on everything is deciding to call it as he sees it and accuses his boss awesome his old boss here of lying well bully John Bolton for doing that I would say and while I don't agree with John Bolton about everything. I absolutely certainly agree agreed. That was an absolutely crazy idea to have the leaders of the Taliban. Come to Camp David. These are people who are killing Americans have killed thousands of Americans who harbored Osama bin Laden. They don't allow music in Afghanistan Afghanistan. They won't allow women to go to school. Donald trump is going to embrace these people at Camp David not a good idea well. I don't want to fall into the trap of lionising John Bolton just because he's now conflicting with this terrible president right I mean I think that every single person in this country is safer tonight now that John Bolton is no longer there pushing for more with Iran pushing for war with North Korea the day he became National Security Security Advisor. I was genuinely terrified for the future of this country for the safety of my family. It is a relief a he had no business ever having that job in the first place that said I would agree that. He has shown more integrity than some of the other people in this administration in that he has you know we've talked about this. Before right. Ideologues people who are true believers in some sense are less likely to go along to get along because they get truly outraged. I want and truly disillusioned when they see their ideals being contradicted so in that sense he has he has the courage of his very terrible convictions and that courage is you say goes to this being a story about ideas. Donald Trump's ideas are among the other things at times phantasmagorical when it comes to saying you know what we ought to mark nine eleven is with a High Level Camp David summit for the Taliban. I mean you can't even I don't even know where the idea comes from other than sheer pageantry but to your point Michelle reading from the NBC reporting on this there were these reports that was not just bulletin but vice president pence mm-hmm that were against the Camp David Plan meeting with Taliban leaders the last straw Monday pence tweeting destroys fake but again to your point about credibility early. Bolton did not knock down those stores and apparently trump was angry that Bolton planted the stories about pence to begin with. I mean I think that Donald Trump and John Bolton agree with kind of disregarding all our all of our alliances acting unilaterally where they disagree is that Donald Trump then wants to make these kind of ridiculous he has this natural affinity for our enemies right so John Bolton although he's perfectly willing to go along with trump you know ripping up the Iran deal kind of disregarding any notion of human rights in American foreign policy. The great irony here is that John Bolton is one of the most hawkish figures in American foreign policy recent history. His legacy gacy is now going to be kind of the bosom friendship between the United States and North Korea yeah which is wild Malcolm dance your thoughts on all of the above well. Michelle is absolutely right. You know Michael. I mean sorry John Bolton would have been much more better if it was Michael Bolton but John Bolton speaking out and being this friend to the president of the United States who with his entire career as the number one on War Hawk for Iran the number one war Hawk for North Korea suddenly being chained and kept on a little perch if you imagine that image but trump wanted that that image because he was very well known he was he was lauded in the Republican Party fear he was known as a Sharp Hawk and by bringing him him onto his team he could use him as essentially as a club Joel in both ways towards Iran by thinking that he was going to unleash this Moustachioed War Hawk and then on the other side the Republican Party by believing that they brought he brought on board their their war. You know the guy who really really wanted to have that sharp edge of the US foreign policy that being said trump wanted neither of those things and so he loves as you say the pageantry of the president of the United States doing amazing things like having this you know Jimmy Carter moment where he was going to bring you know oh Sadat and begging to Camp David and he's going to do with the Taliban of all people the week of nine eleven which with shows not the fact that he has no ability to understand the optics that he doesn't care he doesn't care what the American people would think and so John Bolton by showing the slightest honor amongst thieves finds out that there is no honor amongst thieves he gets pushed to the curve right that that Saddam was carefully coalescing something that had been laid in the actual groundwork of diplomacy of treaty of soft power out whereas this feels a little bit more like desperately seeking theme Party oh well. Let's let's pick this anniversary date. Let's get the right decorations. this is not a joke now you you mentioned as well well. You said must mustaschioed. How do you pronounce it must moustachioed moustachioed warmonger so you WanNa get into the mustache I take it well. You know I mean this guy. You know he's always been curricular. It is Yosemite Sam and that would actually be very to rick. Unfairly affinity is known to to deal more in soft power but the president himself was concerned about the Mustache Steve Bannon another at times disgruntled ex aid leaking about this or speaking to reporters saying he was pushing Bolton the hawkish diplomat for the job but initially quote Bolton's mustache is a problem abandoned said trump doesn't think he looks the part you know. Bolton is an acquired taste. I mean how much of this is a sort of a story in reverse DONALD TRUMP's initial concerns about bowling related to quote unquote casting and appearance and then by the end appears to have been dragged to actual policy galaxy debates in."