Attorney, Bremer, FDA discussed on Philip Teresi
Eight eight thousand people have been real curious about your music. No. Yes. This is our music. This was nineteen Ninety-one. This is Mark on the guitar, right? Twenty such as solid musician and a member of my group. The apple tones plug in not quite as heavy, but we could be believe me up. I was much younger and had a lot more hair. Aggravation back then you should have seen this guy. All right. Where are we going now? Well, you know, you're talking about ill effects. What it can cause it is just a hilarious hearing these people talk about how they want to legalize drugs and why they should one at one of the quotes from one of the, the people out of the Denver decriminalization group was basically stating that people are considering these mushrooms as a tool for their own personal healing and wellness. And I it kills me because that plays right into why people are constantly coming to my office with DU is domestic violence cases, things of that nature. They're, they're asking people to judge, and to Medicaid their own personal feelings, healing and wellness. And that's exactly the problem that we have with the opioid epidemic, and the drug epidemics, is that most people are doing exactly that they are self medicating. The problem is, they don't know they're self medicating. They're just treating. A symptom, a mental health problem that they have a, a, what I like to call organic problem. Something that happened there pass some sort of grief, former socialist soldier, the Komi and talked about how he was using this every couple of weeks and it was helping them out helping him outside psychologically. But he was he was the poster boy for self medicating. But what was interesting as you said that he was talking to a psychologist about it. Do you have a psychologist recommended? He'd heard about it from a friend and he's been buying it from a friend of his working great. But what I'm saying is, he was doing what when people come into my office, I asked them to do for me and for the courts, and that is to figure out what issue that you have underlying the drug and alcohol problem, figuring out what that issue is and find a way to deal with that underlying issue. Many times, I have people initially start off with NASA meanings. But then I say, I want you to do outpatient programs. I want you to inpatient programs. I want you to go see a psychologist and see whether there's something from your past that may be triggering this in this in this guy's case, obviously that could be used for his defense. Is that where you're going with that? Well, here's the deal, and it could be used for his defense because there's always sentencing considerations. A judge always wants to see a person who is giving themselves as help who is taking care of their issues. And obviously I was going to say it's for the betterment the overall betterment of your client. And that's what the great benefit is. That's what the great added a pluses for my clients. It's, it's probably the thing that makes me feel the best when I'm dealing with my clients, is that they come in, and they say they won't even say, I have an alcoholic, you'll say, hey, do you have a do you have alcohol problem? They'll, they'll say. No, I don't think so. And then we analyze it and then they'll finally come to the point to where they'll go. I never thought of it that way, we do. And I said, yeah. Okay. Now tell me what other slobber knocker days a week. And I'll say okay, so tell me what your issues and they go, what do you mean? I said, well, what your issue they'll say, well, alcohol drugs, whatever it is. I know that's potentially the end result of your issue. But what's your issue, what? What? Yeah. He something that I call organic, you know, sexual abuse, physical abuse, mental, mental abuse, grief abandonment. Or is it something that's organic, you know, a chemical imbalance, so we have these environmental problems these abuses, these things that happen in our pass, and then we have our organic mental health problems, and these people are just trying to self medicate. And that's exactly what the proponents are saying, oh, we want people to be able to deal with their healing, and wellness the promise. They don't know how to do it, and what it does is it causes panic attacks. I it causes so many other bad things if they don't know how to deal with it. They don't have a professional application. They could be in big trouble. Right. And so, so you have the one gentleman who is already seeking his own help by seeing psychologist. He was dealing with the underlying issue. And then he found that there may be a medication or in this case Schrimm that helped out with that issue. Now, the FDA is already trying to I'm sorry. Not the FDA the US food. Drug administration last year already approved additional research for, for mushrooms for suicide. And, and they're, they're talking about potential breakthrough therapies for depression and things of that nature. But to have that kind of controlled environment compared to these cities, just opening it up to the general public is just just such a dichotomy. I think it's just such a dangerous road. We're going down getting back to your excuse me, your practice ago you talked about how you try to help the people to buy denting with their problems with organic, or chemical and getting him into the right therapies, and treatments. Can you I'll successful is you are you any attorney in doing that? How many of your, your clients turn around and turn it off? I, I gotta say outta be rare. It is not as rare as you would think, because a lot of them they do come at the bottom, they, they do come down. And they're they're at the bottom, there are a lot of people to get the bottom of the Grand Canyon and part of it, though, is recognizing that there at the bottom, or, or even say you don't have to. Be at the bottom, you just have to be aware that there's a bottom out there. And you don't want to get to it, and it was a system that I developed from years ago dealing with the judge. He's now deceased, judge judge bring rebrand Bremer was a great, great lovely guy though, he is. But I'll tell you what, if you ever saw him in court, you'd be scared out of your mind. He had this way of dealing with people where he would not allow you to give a right answer. He would say, sure, why, why, why are you driving down Blackstone at sixty miles an hour while at a two level? Well, my wife, bro. You know, she left me in this and the other thing, and they would go on and on. And he would put him in custody. He would hold him in the in the little jury box if they needed to be while they were thinking about, I'm going to give you time to think about. And he would grill them in grill, the grill, the men finally, they'd say judge. I don't know what to say. I have no answers. I have no excuse me, go. That's the answer. The answer is there's no excuse. It's all within yourself. You. You have to look to yourself, you, have you have guy in. I had already developed a what Peterka my brother calls little Marquette Potanin plans, these little plans do to help to help rehabilitate people food a comment about your height. I never thought of it that way. I guess you're right. But he basically, I would try to impress the judges before the even the first hearing because I wanted to let them know that my clients are going to be different than other clients. I will want them to look inward to start taking care of their issues from the very, very beginning before they even see a judge. And I'll tell you the first thing that I'll do as many times, I'll just say what your issue, you know, and I don't want them necessarily to tell me what the issue is. I just want to say do you know what it is? And a list a list of things that could be possibilities to any of these things make sense to you, in a lot of a lot of the always, they'll be saying, yeah, it's very, very common that this is these, these underlying issues are the reasons for the drugs and alcohol is just not fun and games. You know, and that's a good reputation to have as far as you being attorney of judges, get to a point of realizing, this is an attorney, who's who's in the process of turning some of these people around. So I'm gonna really listen to the case and I'm gonna list. Listen to the, the, the client that he has. That's, that's good for everybody know what a great feeling was everybody sees the attorney standing next to their clients, and say, yes, say, no say, yes, you're onto this on the other thing. And I made it a practice that I would walk a few steps away from my client, and I would say judge, they're all yours, and brand Bremer was just the sweetest nicest guy. And at the end of it, he would give a big smile. Hid congratulate my client. And he would say, Mr. capitan I know his clients, I know how he deals with them. And I appreciate what you do and your big success. And that always made me feel good. I really miss. I really do that is really..