Listen: Joe Actually, Jane Jamie, Sandra New discussed on The First Degree
"The fourth client genie was corresponding with on the night that she went missing had a varied story. He said that he never actually met up with Jamie me and that just emails texted. The pictures were exchanged but ultimately backed out of meeting up with her. They were skeptical of this because remember they had looked at the phones in it was kind of you. See what what you would do with meeting up with a new person. It's the same thing with tender. It's like meet here this time do this this. Whatever of course you don't know like if he showed up or not but it seemed as if he did but lucky for the police. It didn't matter what he said they now had. DNA and if these guys wanted to be cleared they would need to offer up a sample for comparison and all of them. Were actually more than happy to provide a sample for testing because they're freaking out there just like. I didn't kill anybody. Here's what you're married. Yeah Ah but the only exception is the fourth client a man named Joseph sear and he had attorney call and refused the test on his behalf. He said no no no. I'm not doing this. He left a voicemail on the detectives machine and said my client quote does not outfielder. He needs to oblige your request. Volunteering and quote Hugh prefer you get a warrant so police learned earned that Joseph moved to Oklahoma move from the Oklahoma City area right after Jamie's murder and he lived the Oklahoma City area his entire our life and then he just decided to move and remember Joseph was actually questioned in her death and cleared of suspicion by police piece but now that he's refusing this test. The tides are turning right and you have to just take a look at this. It's like they don't even WanNa believe him because they have already the husband guy so that's the thing Joseph's gotta be real sketchy for for them to be like even pursue it so as soon as police know who joe was his face appeared all over the news and this is a tactic they do. They'll put people persons of interest on the news and then just watch what happens or in a lot of times they have their phones tapped or they have warrants already be secured for that right and they do it to see like the ripple effects and they'll do something like that to instinct to be the catalyst right so police had already known about Joseph Sierra for about a week and they still hadn't let Justin out of prison so a week afterwards they finally did he was given the option of bail he had to pay one hundred thousand dollars to get out after five months and he was finally allowed out of county lockup with an ankle monitor despite the the two first degree murder charges that were still pending against him so finally we can tell you how Sandra are first degree. Connection is connected to this story. Do we have mentioned that Sanders served in the Air Force on at Tinker Air Force base which is near where Jamie's body was found. Another person who served served on Tinker Air Force Base was Joseph sear. Now Sandra and Joe were very very very good friends in the military and what you do is you live on base and you're with everybody's families and you become like one big family. They spent all their time together and she was floored to this year's picture show up on the news in connection to this case we've done and then all of a sudden. They came out with a new suspect. That's when they showed Joseph here and I'm like Oh my goodness I know him and my husband thought I was nuts at the time God but it was just I couldn't believe it so interestingly. Joe Actually had no criminal record in Oklahoma Zero offenses on his record but he did have a different kind of record one that Sandra wet nest. We're not I betting. He was the sweetest guy you'd ever meet. He was just very helpful. Paul and I'm a little girl trying to be a macon with all these big guys and he was one of those. If I couldn't get rich doc about break he come as their you know Louis and so that I could have Gloria breaking finishing the job so just a side note. They worked worked as mechanics in the air force had worked on the planes together and he was always just we person to me. I know there were several time night benders out drinking. He would you know make sure that nothing happened to me personally. there were several times. I made sure I got home okay to my apartment and never wants to you know ever give me like the TV's BG's I call them. I never felt in fear of him but the sweet helpful Joe that Sandra new disappeared once you got married and his wife's name was and she was in the Air Force to I do know after him and his wife and got married and they got pregnant they kind of were a little standoffish toward everybody to me looked in in and then he would I mean I didn't see anything wrong between him and or anything now I see me a how controlling he will toward her I joke do know several times while they were married that which she would have to call on her supervisor's because he apparently had been abusive at home. I know a couple of times she'd come in. This is more after so she has had the baby she had come in and you could tell the something just wasn't right toward the end their marriage he had gotten very aggressive even in in the shop working he wasn't that same kind of happy. Go lucky you know you know breaks the bolt loose for me type of guy he was it was his way and that's how it's GonNa be go. Did I fear for myself like so with you know but I know and they have cooled separated. He put her in base housing housing to separate them because they were having issues and they kept it real hush hush around the bay or one of the last that I heard is he just beat the living out of her and to the point she couldn't walk and you. Her face was black and blue they. I never saw her like probably two months before against I know at that point. They were working on divorce. Paperwork and legal is involved and so it was extremely originally hush hush and the young son she had with Joseph did get away from him. They got divorced and she escaped and move to another state away from this abusive husband and Sandra never saw and again she did see Joseph more but he had changed since he got married in. They had had a baby something in a match shifted. He wasn't the same sweet guy she considered to be family and now Sandra is watching watching as this case is unfolding involving this person that she used to be so close with and now. Let's get back to the investigation so joe is a person of interest in the police. Lis Our scrutinizing that evening that he was in touch with Jamie discussing the possibility of meeting up with her so joe continues to insist that he never met Jamie and person he admits to emailing her but denied seeing her in once he became a suspect Joe did not Shaya Way from the media he spoke to Oklahoma and denied any involvement in Jane Jamie's slang and even when he's confronted with DNA evidence then the story shifts slightly as what had sex with her but doesn't mean anything and Joe had a girlfriend named Rebecca. She had only been with him for two months but she said she saw Joe at home with her at two. Am the evening that Jamie went missing that he seemed normal. However she also said said the next morning he washed his truck and got four new tires and it was the bed of his truck that she'd never seen him walk? There's a DNA match here all right and now police they've already released Justin from jail in their starting to adjust their perspective all Messia and they are now starting to think. Oh my God it could be actually i. I Yeah I mean obviously they have the DNA evidence but the DNA evidence is you from potentially you know a a sex worker transaction yeah so that that's that's what they're thinking and that's that's what his defense is. Good Snow nothing under her fingernails nothing nothing after their so and we know that was there for a month south of animal exactly yet it could have young on read a law. I think the reason why they were able to salvage that. DNA So it was because it was internal journal but I think you bring up a great point and it's like how do we know that more than sex happened while they reexamined the evidence against Justin and basically what they found. I mean the main thing that the state was hanging their hat on in terms of evidence against Justin. Was this very redeeming cell phone evidence that proved that Justin was with Jamie the entire the entire time and that's the biggest thing because it shows shark meat while they re examine the evidence in learn. It is a total anomaly. It was a total mistake in the analysis of the cell phone data so they reexamine this in a learn it was because they were on the same plan and ended up showing that they were together together so it was a complete complete complete mess hot. How crazy is like. Does this happen so it's not that crazy. Jacqueline and I were talking about this where this happened with Adnan."