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Vader's on your tari is that we're all of this began i suppose so i never really put together the it's hari playing with my scientific interest but i suppose it now a that i built video games as therapeutic tools i i guess that's a fair assessment but yeah you know it was i didn't have a lot of scientific people in my life i didn't own doctors or scientists when i was a kid and watching carl sagan and going to the museum of natural history was the with the stimulus that i had that really turned me onto this and how did you get specifically interested i know you're i work you did was in the brain and how what happens when we age how did you get interested in that well actually it was sort of just by chance when i was a graduate student in new york city so i went to school for an md and a phd program my advisor had access to a population of old animals really that that they were interested in studying how their memory was changing and i thought it was interesting it was when you're twenty you don't think about doing projects on aging but i took it up and ever since then i've been studying the aging brain i switched after i did a residency in neurobiology switched over to doing research on humans and human aging studying the brain through functional brain recordings both marin eg tons of stan how are cognitive abilities changes we get older and so i guess you're twenties was probably the best time to be doing it since you say that now like age twenty four at all goes downhill from there right i mean that's really the peak it's not the peacful all of cognitive abilities.