Iran, United States, Middle East discussed on A Public Affair
Hour. My name is Ellen roof. The topic for today's program is one that is owned many minds worldwide that is would would appears to be escalating. US wardrobe in the Middle East aimed at a run. Denounce of right off bed did one of our guests was scheduled for today. Ray McGovern unable to be with us. You can make it with us on the phone for the first half hour is journalist David Burstein young and we'll be joined later in the hour by Middle East. Observer, Jennifer Lowenstein David is a tireless wide ranging investigative journalist in critic of US imperial policy, especially in the Middle East and South Asia. He's the founder and director of the widely syndicated weekly radio program, alternative radio and edited numerous, edited numerous collections of interviews with movement notables, including Noam Chomsky bell. Ahmed Howard, zinn Tareq, Ali. Richard wolf are in Dante ROY and many others. He also writes, lectures, on world of fears, imperialism propaganda systems in the media, the crises of capitalism and global rebellions. He's the recipient of numerous awards. In recognition for ceaseless work as a voice for global democracy in human rights. David, it's my pleasure to welcome you back to W. R T shallan. It's great to be with you. You know. I picked up the phone and called you because I read your recent counterpunch article Iran notes appeared on may fifth. So let's see let's deconstruct or discuss that excuse me. I'm gonna just have Sipa water here. Hold on. May seventeenth actually. A Mason teeth. Yeah. And so you've been a long time observer of use middling and intervention of US foreign policy toward Iran dating back, web decades. And, and of course, you noted that the top of your piece, the counterpunch piece that the vast region is probably the most unstable part of the world thinks lergy to US policy that often gets lost in, in the treatments here, certainly in the mainstream media that the stay -bility seems to be Zoff portrayed as inherent. But we know there's a history there sent centered upon US interventions. It's a long history and on our gear comrade radical historian Howard zinn used to say we ignore it at our peril, and I think this accounts for a tremendous amount of ignorance about your. Iran and the Middle East. In general, in the American populace ish simply no context, or background full what's going on? It's just seems that, you know, people in the Middle East are bloodthirsty and violent by nature and they hate Americans so there's really no discussion of the history and the background of US intervention, which is quite extensive and Iran. Acutely it begins in nineteen fifty three. When the she a opperations Ajax along with the British intelligence service, m I six stage day Pettah, overthrowing a pop popular democratic leader. Muhammed Musset DHEC, who main crime in the eyes of the Eisenhower administration and Winston Churchill in London. Was that he believes that Iranian the revenues from Iranian oil should benefit the Iranian people rather than the British Anglo Iranian oil corporation, which was taking much of the profit out of the country show? He was overthrown was a huge event by the way, also became a template for subsequent data's Visu overthrows. I mean just in individually next year, the US moved against huckabee'll, bend in Guatemala overthrew that democratic government. But staying with Iran and the consequences of his day. Tom it brought the Shah back into power. It put him onto peacock throne for the next twenty six years, a period in which Iran became a kind of attack dog for the US. And in the middle. East in the words of Nixon's Defense Secretary Melvin Laird, the US needed local cops on the beat to maintain order and Iran was one of those cops Pakistan, and Turkey were the other two as well. And during this period when the show was ruling between fifty three and seventy nine. There was an increased repression. There was development of Savak, which was the secret police trained by the Shii. Andy Israeli Mossad enormous human rights violations and American military corporations were getting, which feeding at the trough because the Shah was taking a lot of that oil, money and buying weapons from the United States incidently Allen. It's really curious. You've heard the term blowback the actual, I use of that term was the very next year after the coup in Iran, overthrowing Melissa deck. When the Shia did a what they call like a situation report summary of what happened the pluses and the minuses and it for the first time used that term blowback and notice shape, the unintended. Unintended consequences of US foreign policy. And in the report, it predicts that there could be a possible blowback, which would be very negative for the US. And indeed. That's what that's what happened our support for the Shah led directly to the Slavic revolution. And you know, since nineteen seventy nine we're now forty years of the Republic, and as you said, in your introduction, the drumbeats of war are increasing their getting, louder and louder. And you know, whether it's as Giovanni Riefqi Iranian Foreign Minister, who's really brilliant diplomat, and help negotiate with carry the Iran deal the joint comprehensive plan of action, which of course. The Trump regime, a pulled out of in may of two thousand eighteen just a year ago. And he said that the policies to be driven US policy issues to be driven by what he called the four Bs that would be Bolton BB that's the nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister been giant, who is the Oman emier United Arab Emirates, and bin Salman that great, you know, Parag paragon of human rights and decency in Saudi Arabia. So those four four Bs, according to foreign minister, jihad city driving, US policy, but, you know, it's like, what Chomsky says jaundiced US foreign policy just have to use the, the godfather model. You know, the mafia. Who insists on obedience you know, speak when spoken to don't look, don't make eye contact and do what you're told. And if you stray from that as Iran did because Iran was, you know, a key part of the US hegemony in the Middle East. And once it pulled out of that stopped performing that role it, you know. Became the kind of a ferocious enemy of the United States. I mean how ferocious is you're on. It's really interesting. Kind of rhetorical question on the high end. It's considered that thirty Iranian military. Budget is thirty billion dollars. But according to the Stockholm institute that deals with arms and on spending. It's actually somewhere less than half of that. So fifteen billion dollars will fifteen billion dollars. Could get you one of those Ford class aircraft carriers in this case ABRAHAM LINCOLN that is, you know, moving now positioned off the Persian. Persian Gulf along with other US warships. David in your piece you turn the phrase I like very much that is you said that Iran is a. Currently a pin yada for the current regime in Washington. But what I want to get to here is because, you know, so many people fetish is our have narrow vision that it's all all Trump all the time, but I wanna get to here is long range. Malevolence really toward Iran. At the time of the invasion of Iraq in two thousand three it was seen as a prequel as a preview as a necessary step to the invasion counter revolution a regime change. In tehran. You turn the phrase that talk about the boys, go to Baghdad. The real men go to Tehran. Well at the height of the war hysteria, drummed up by the bourgeoisie and two thousand and two thousand three of which John Bolton was very much a part of along with Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Kenneth Adelman and, and Kenneth Pollack and Condoleeza Rice and all of them. I mean it's now, you know, like legendary epic of catastrophe and war crime in world history Iran in two thousand and one after nine eleven and incidentally, the great prevaricators. Donald trump. You know, said that he had seen Muslims in the streets of Jersey City celebrating of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Of course, that was just one of his many fabrications and lies. But actually, what was really interesting was at that very moment in Iran in Tehran. And other shitty people came out into streets in solidarity with the tragedy that befell the United States on that day. Zoa candlelight vigils that barely was reported here in December of two thousand and one Iran was instrumental in helping the United States. Get a Hamid Karzai as the president of Afghanistan because Iran had considerable influence with different groups inside of Afganistan. It turned the heat up on those grew. And Karzai became a president. Now, one would think that there would be some kind of an opening there for rapper. Schmos is Iran did this not to call it a favourite was in their interest, as well. That would be some kind of reproche Mon, but what did Bush do within a month at the state in the state of the union address? He listed Iran as part of the axis of evil. And this was a huge blow to the president of Iran, at that time, Mohammad Fatemi, who was considered a moderate. He was a he's a cleric, but a moderate cleric who wanted better relations with the United States. And after this access of evil designation the opposition to any rep Rochelle within, Iran was emboldened, and they would telling them she you can't work with the American. They doubled cross you. They keep moving the goal posts. And, you know, they became a Cendant, and we've seen the same thing happened right now with the abrogation of the Iran deal the joint comprehensive plan of action, which was signed after painstaking negotiations over over at least a year, if not longer by the five, permanent members of the UN Security Council, plus Germany, to limit Irani and centrifuge development. And in fact, Iran, according to the a that International Atomic Energy agency, the U N, Vienna-based agency, Iran was subject. I'm quoting here, the world's most robust verification regime, and the I E A can. Firm that Iran is in compliance. So Iran was totally on board with this deal. They wanted to release from the punitive sanctions that, that the US had unilaterally imposed upon it and again, by this kind of, you know action of very push it petition. I think, you know, a quite disastrous action, the US pulling out of the deal. The hardliners were were strengthened Iran and the president today, whose name is a Ruhani. He has been weakened because it was part of his vision to get relief from the sanctions and to restore a modicum of good relations with the United States. But again, once the people in opposition who want to confront US policy are saying, you see we told you, so you cannot work with the Americans in, of course. David the. Sanctions that were in place from the actually from the previous administration from the Obama administration if enough before are now of course, wretched up, I want to get to we have you just for a few minutes more. I want to get to discussion of why why now, of course,.