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05-25-20 Jesse Wente: Broadcaster, film director and critic


Of course you are. The person who has been quoted as saying reconciliation is dead. Go ahead your thoughts. Yeah well and thank you to the The caller and shadow two six nations treaty. Seven well I mean. I don't think reconciliation was ever really alive and what and what I really mean by that. Is this sort of state sanctioned idea of it 'cause I I struggle with the notion that these states can actually reconcile in the way that I would imagine it. In the way I think a lot of indigenous people imagine it And I think it's also important that reconciliation does not come without and I think a lot of what we see still is actually not so much a struggle with reconciliation. It's a struggle with truth and until we can actually come to grips with that and I would agree with. The caller. Reconciliation is not four indigenous peoples. That's for everyone else and it's to reconcile the truths that they have heard. You know we had a truth and reconciliation process around residential schools here in Canada a few years ago that produced the report and that produced this sort of age of reconciliation quote unquote that we've been living in but I don't think there's been a fundamental reckoning with the actual truth is in fact a lot of denial around the truth and the ongoing truths that indigenous people speak and until we can actually live with those truths Like live with them. The way indigenous people live with them quite honestly and until Canada and hopefully at some point the US can can live with those things. The reconciliation part is just simply impossible. And so I think We don't and I also don't think we should be looking to states governments corporations to reconcile this. This is actually a thing about community. And what sort of community do we actually want to create when our communities have given and had so much taken for the other for other communities? How can we actually reconciled to live together in a much broader sense of it and again? I don't think you can do that unless you enter. Truthfully into that relationship and that's the fundamental struggle. Were still in. That's why I devote so much time to indigenous storytelling in the ideas of indigenous peoples in the media because I think until that truth is normalized and baked into these places the way misinformation has been It's GonNa be hard to get to that next phase in that next phase where he reconciliation quote unquote. Reconciliation can happen and that does require large systemic shifts and how the state relates to indigenous peoples and ultimately how we relate to one another but I don't think we're still really at the beginnings quite frankly of the truth telling and more more importantly the truth accepting the truth normalizing Jesse your fan of film. I'm thinking of that scene in a few good men. You can't handle the truth. What about you could movie You know again. I think for indigenous people this is. This is a lot of our truths and so I don't know how much we have to reconcile them but I do think it's important that we tell them and I think it's important that we laugh and live in love and continue to exist as we have. Because we're always we've always been a contemporary people no matter how others wanted to paint. Us and You know and I think the challenge for us is. There's a lot of wisdom in our nation's and in our ways of seeing and knowing and being that the world needs right now and so you know the the previous caller mentioned generosity ANC. We really staff to maintain that for ourselves our communities and for the broader world because it it needs us right now it needs some of the wisdom about how you live sustainably on these on these in these places for Millennia And we need to be generous even when you so many of these systems and these states have have been the opposite of generous with us. But I think that's how we persevere how we survive in why you know. We'll still be here no matter what happens to Canada the US We'LL STILL BE HERE. Tara in Jesse that I guess provide some comfort in when we talk about reconciliation and I've heard it You know even in discussions in private Sometimes on this program and people say here in the states you know we need something like that. Reconciliation here in the United States. would be something that you know. We'd want to push for everything that was said in in connected to this word. What is your word of caution? In case it comes up in the same way. Well I think the word of caution and I think this is true of where we've seen reconciliation take place in say South Africa and other other places is I it it requires the truth. So you have to do that. Part and that is Painful and Requires an generosity again. That is can be really hard for so many of the residential school survivors who testified to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. You know from any of them. That was the first time they told their stories. It's not something that was shared around the dinner table or at holidays And that can be really painful and so And it can be trauma you know the these are these traumatic things. That people didn't have to relive that drama. And turn I think they traumatize those that have to listen and those that get exposed to truth. And so there's a lot of healing. I often say if if and I don't think it is but if this were to be a moment of reconciliation for a place like Canada. Well it's a moment of healing for our communities because that's really what we we need to do. And so I think those things go hand in hand. You can't have the reconciliation with the healing. You can't have reconciliation without the truth and I would be then very clear on when the recommendations come out of the actual process. What are the government's obligations to them? What are the implementation plans like? What is the teeth to this document because you know here in Canada what came out of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission report? Where echoes of reports. That we've seen in Canada for decades They mentioned the same systemic issues. They mentioned the same inequalities That were captured in report. Called the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples. That was done in one thousand nine hundred five So twenty years Earlier and so you need to know what you know. If we're going to go through this truth telling we're going to go through this trauma. What would actually mean and I think that has been the struggle for all states that have gone through a reconciliation process is what does it actually mean when you're done what are the actual. What is the pathway to achieving that? What measurements are they're going to be towards that achievement That's what I would advise. All my cousins south of the Koneohe border not only be prepared for the trauma and the healing and the truth. But make sure there's teeth because because going through all of that to not see big movement and we haven't seen huge in Canada but we have seen some but to go without seeing that is I think really painful and indeed can be regressive step and that's something that we did have a chance when that report came out in there were so many interesting Layers to it and even what people felt going through the process and I think those cautions are very warranted There's more ahead. Bone lines are closed today. 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