The Case for Police Abolition

The Nod


At. The time of this recording one thousand seventeen people in the US have been shot and killed by police this past year, and as the numbers continue to grow. It's got meany questioning why we're even need cops in the first place, but the question of polishing the police also makes a lot of people nervous so today we're going straight to the source in talking to an actual abolitionist. Bill Fina Y'all on. It's an important conversation that you don't want to miss. This is the nod. We've heard it all before. Give Cops Body Cams hold them accountable, cautious need diversity and bias training. We need community policing black police. We need Brown police, but as the years roll by an efforts at reform are showing no signs of stopping the brutal violence against black people in this country, a different call gaining traction is the call to abolish the prison industrial complex, which is made up of prisons, policing and surveillance all forms contrary to what a lot of. Of people believe this isn't a new school. Of Thought, it's been around since the eighties, and it's been embraced by people all over the world. Much of what we know about it. Today has been studied practice and built upon three black women. We have to mention Angela Davis Ruth Wilson, Gilmore and Mariam Kaba Today. We're joined by bill. Fina Y'all want a Baltimore based restorative justice practitioner. Who writes about abolition and how to practice it in our community? It'll pheno. Thank, you so much for being here today. It's awesome. Have you thank you? Thank you for having me so abolition. Is Abolition essentially what we talk about admission we're saying is that a world cannot just without the physical presence of police in prisons, but a world where we all have, our needs met in a way that we do not have to commit the crimes that laid us in prison, and with policing right, and so abolition forces us to complete your frame how we think about the concept of prisons and lease, and to be honest about the history of it prisons. Prisons were created as an alternative to slavery. It says so and the thirteen th amendment, and so when we look if that that violence and genocide history of policing prisons, abolition says it's not possible for us to have world rabies dynamics exist so I'm sure we've all seen a lot of the back and forth in the media, and even just an online conversations about what's reformist versus what is abolitionist. What sorts of things are absolutely out of the question or Believed that we can have rover prisons and policing exist. We just have to make it better. And abolitionist believed that is not possible behalf to completely get rid of it and create new systems and structures. How did you come to fruition? Personally had become part of your life identified. The woman is came to woman is during college was definitely my sophomore. Year of college and I thought begins to stand what it means to exist as A. A black woman in this world I understood this system is structured. That are against US I think a lot of people don't understand that the reform to slavery with prisons. The reform to slave catchers was police, and so when you have stopped with that truth as a woman as as a former refugee as an immigrant to this country will hold, I, experience, it was not possible for me to say I love blackness and not become an abolitionist. Something else. That's near and dear to your heart, and also the work that you do is the story of Keith Davis Junior talked to us a little bit about Keith and his story so keep Davis Junior. Is a twenty eight year old black man for Baltimore, who was shot at? Times by the Baltimore Police Department in June of Twenty fifteen. He's being accused and they're saying that it gun was founded in Keith was connected to a murder. In March he was sentenced to fifty years, and after five years in five rows, Amish. It's been an ongoing case that five years WWLTV's dedicated to. Always bring her into the space. Kelly Davis has four beautiful children and Khloe Amari and Jaden and his case is so connected to what was happening in Baltimore after Twenty fifteen after the murder of Freddie Gray talk to me a bit about how keeps life and story relates specifically to your Abolition Work Keith case is connected to abolition one, if forces us to see kids humanity beyond what he did as a child chief, interaction with the criminal justice system started very early, and what we know is that it was a result of all of the conditions that came with Keith birth his stories parents. Parents his poverty, and so forth, and so as a result of that chief found himself funneled into a system. That once you've been in there. It's easier to keep coming back. If Selah commits a crime, we have to ask ourselves if the necessities of somebody is not being met, and instead were thrown them in a cage cage is actually more violent and transformed into a even more violent person with Keith case what we've seen has been a blatant disregard for any kind of laws, any kind of good faith and what we saw for the past five years is lies and lies and lies and confirms. That meet cannot possibly rehabilitate a system that has no

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