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An airplane not in an airplane at at the gym not at the gym. Wherever you are you listened to him and it's this shit easily share where you're listening to with your friends on instagram? And if you haven't already done so be sure to download the spotify defy APP search Matt to the confused on spotify. Also make sure to follow me so you never miss an episode of the show. Get Hello and welcome to Mattia is confused. This is Matt Delia. In this week's guest is the head of the Trans Humanist Movement His name is Zoltan. Ish Durban's Zoltan is actually not only the head of the Trans Humanist Movement but he is also running for president running for the Republican nomination for president. He's running against trump. So he's coming at this from a pretty fresh in different angle. A caveat. He knows I mean they should go without saying he knows he's not going to win the Republican nomination Just as my previous guest Joe Walsh. She knows he's not going to win the Republican nomination actually to follow up on that Joe who is my only return guests He's been on the show twice. He just dropped out he just said it was too much draining him and his family too much and a bunch of other shit I mean again he also new. He wasn't GonNa win. I do find it interesting though that days after the very first time I interviewed him. He announced his candidacy for President President. This is Joe and and days. After the second time I interviewed him he announced he was dropping out of the race For President. I'm pretty sure I'm having massive effect on the man And if I have him again on the show again for third time I'm pretty sure days after that something fucking incredible will come out of his mouth. Don't know what it is. I don't even know what still on the table it was. I'm running for President and now I'm not running for president. I don't know what it could be but I'm sure it's me I'm the I'm the common denominator on that so Ooh I look forward to whatever I inspired to Joe to do next but this week. It's about Zoltan Zoltan Yvonne. So I'm I mean I'm interested in Trans Humanism in general and Zoltan defines it For me and you guys at the top of the show but just broadly a I'm actually into a longer time Zoltan and I only had thirty minutes. He's a super busy guy especially right now. The campaigns like he's in the thick of it now but he was kind enough to give me thirty thirty minutes. So I got a little bit of room To to do a longer intro. So that's what I'm doing. Try and try now this this different Format I guess. But yeah basically trans- humanism. The idea of it is to use science and technology to modify human life and the human experience that generally means one of two things. And that's really it means you know it's the idea of men and machines Or mankind and machines merging sort of the the thing you hear about called the singularity That rakers wheel has sort of Coined and Dan made famous. And I believe Zoltan Mentions Ray and the singularity a bit during our conversation The other thing that it usually implies or trans humanist is sort of considers as a main goal the other thing is to live forever And and that sounds so lofty but it's it is their goal and and it is all turns goal and that is his express goal He talks about that as well in our conversation. And sort of what led him to the Trans Humanist Movement in the first place is deeply connected to that fear of death and that that desire to live forever to stay here I have had a thousand questions for Zoltan And I think I think if you if you pay attention you can hear me talking faster to him. Ask Him questions faster. Because I knew I only had thirty minutes so I felt like I was on the fucking clock doc but yeah I mean again. This transient isn't thing. This idea of man and machine merging this idea these ideas of living forever always fascinating to me. There's sort of key parts of the science fiction genre in general and as a writer and just fan of science fiction. These kinds of things have always always interested me. I recently read this before I spoke to salt and I recently read a book written by a man named named Michael Best and I. I don't have it in front of me but I'm pretty sure it's called our grand children redesigned and and it's all about the coming tech revolution and how it might change things epigenetics bioengineering things like this once. We can really alter our beings alter our children Change our genetic code things like this sort of designer babies so th the as these questions are coming out as as technology is showing us that many many of these things are either in their infancy or full blown. Ready to to sort of be experimented with a lot of moral questions are come flying at us with it. Is it okay to do these things and the book. I wouldn't say scared. The shit out of me me too kind of did but more than making me scared. It made me extremely fucking anxious. Hopefully I can have Michael. Best the writer of that book to come on the show and talk talk about some of the book as well but Zoltan really as the head of the Trans Humanist Movement as sort of the face of it I think provided me with An opportunity to really start digging at those questions Via the PODCAST. So what I want to do. Who is in the coming months coming weeks to have guests on? Who can sort of speak to different pockets of these these these these questions that are being posed to us By oncoming tech specifically Biotech and engineering of ourselves to make better salves salves smarter selves. Strong yourselves. What that means and how that might look moving forward into the world You know I this car. I had this conversation with him about about a week ago. And the.