Today. We're discussing warning signs starring Sam Waterston. Kathleen Quinlan my Italian cousin Koto. Jeffrey Demon directed by HAL bar. Would this is Arnie? From Quarantine and Stewart and this is the CO host feels rage beautiful rage Jacob. Yes folks I am in Quarantine. I've actually broken quarantine. I have not left my bedroom in eight days. I have broken quarantine to come to the recording studio so we could record about plague and I'm glad to hear that you're up. You sound pretty good. It sounds like things are going. Well Yeah this is not a joke or a bit people. Yeah Yeah you're awfully chipper about it but just to put it in perspective. You seem to be dealing with it well and we're glad about that. We usually record on Wednesdays. I came down with it on the Thursday after recording. I had like six days of hell and I'm back for this feeling my best. I haven't gotten the results of the coverted test back. I did get one of the coveted Cova tests. They did take a cotton swab and stick and so for up my nose. I think they swabbed my frontal lobe. I don't think I have cove it. I got a flu or something. I don't think I'm sick enough for coveted. But in an abundance of caution yes our local respiratory clinic has ordered me into isolation for two weeks but yes. I felt like if there's a movie that I should break quarantine to discuss. Its warning sign in our viral outbreak series. Yeah because they break a whole lot of rules in this film Yes. The nineteen eighties is a huge decade. For pandemic you know the AIDS crisis explodes. I wanted to cover one of those films. But they weren't made in the one thousand nine hundred. Eighty s yeah. They all came out in the nineties. Right they did. I mean let's just call it. What it is. You couldn't be gay on screen in the nineteen eighties. It was this big taboo and if they dealt with AIDS. It was usually like an very sensitive. Tv movie like an Early Frost or like an indie film. Like one of Steve buscemi's early parting glances and none of them talked about it as an epidemic. They were just stories about gay life and one of the characters would be infected with HIV can see. I remember the one aides. Tv movie. I think from the eighties that I remember. It wasn't even about gay life. It was about a got it from a blood transfusion. Oh yeah they didn't even want to address that Ryan White. He was a hemophiliac definitely. Did try to push that narrative and that story and one of the lessons we can learn about pandemic is until it touches everybody. It's very easy to marginalize or at least a celebrity. That's when Reagan notice when his buddy rock Hudson died of HIV. That's when he's like. Oh maybe we should use some government money to research this. Yes it took. I think seven years from becoming does outbreak in San Francisco. Bath houses to being something that the president would talk about. But my dad was there. Here's the weird thing about my life I knew about. Std's before I knew about sex. My Dad led the Public Health Department on Sexually Transmitted Diseases. One of my earliest memories was that he had this shirt that said stamp out sex in really big letters and then in tiny letters at ped- dash usually transmitted diseases and he walked around the mall and people would point. I wanted to just crawl under awry. They just think it was like he's anti-sex because that's what it sounds like. He was so funny to get those reactions but he was there and he'd come home from work and he's looked yes. I'm going to all the gay bars. Were doing all this outreach. Because of this grid this gay cancer as it was described in the early eighties and eventually became known as eights. And if you want to see a movie around this time that was about it. I think you'd have to look at like fatal attraction. I actually think the whole erotic thriller genre is really a Metaphor about AIDS. Like the idea that if you step out on your wife or you do anything. Outside of your monogamous relationship is going to kill you like many cases. It's just a bitch with a knife but she's eight that's what it is. I never thought about it that but I do like those movies and I did think those movies more than AIDS kept men celebrate. Yeah and if you want to see a movie about the AIDS pandemic one of the earliest made. It was an. Hbo Movie in the Early Nineties was based on a book by randy shells and the band played on the movies kind of me but he's got a lot of celebrities in a lot of recognizable faces and it does a good job of at least telling you the history about how it all unfolded and what it was like. During that time when AIDS equal death there were no drugs. There was no hope and many people felt like it was in times. I really liked that movie. When we get to the review of contagion what contagion reminded me. Most of is in the band played on down. But let's talk about a different kind of outbreak. Yeah I'm surprised out of all the eighties. This is the outbreak movie that you picked Zombie Movie. Yeah I mean what? What else is there? I was looking at least this is a movie about does deal with an actual virus was being discussed. Here is real. I don't know if it's accurate to all the symptoms that you can acquire from it but Borna is an infectious disease that did break out in a little German town and we can discuss it so it had some validity that was the criteria. Oh so that part's real. Yes I had no idea that people ever died and came back. That's really happening. I'm not seeing. The screen is an accurate representation. What I'm saying is I looked for an outbreak movie that had some scientific backing and this writer director was very proud to say he did his research and he wanted this to be as real as possible. Who's even behind that like? Did this come out in theaters. I've never heard of warning sign and I saw it a lot. It was always on cable. I think what happened was this is a first time director. It was someone that had worked a lot with Lucas and Spielberg. He was a ghost rider on close encounters and script doctor and work on return of the Jedi behind the scenes. And what have you? And he was finally getting. His first and his last movie Bar would would never direct again but he wrote the script for Sugarland Express and he just knew the right people. I look this guy up. I've seen a ton of his work. Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis Indiana Jones and his Desktop Adventures Indiana Jones in his infernal machine. I played all of those. Yeah on the commentary of this Blu Ray that I had. He basically said that he knew even while he was finishing. This movie. Directing wasn't for him he was getting into this whole video game craze. That was happening and that is where he put all of his energy but at the time he thought he would want to try his hand behind the camera after writing so many scripts his thought was. I've written scripts on the cheap. So much can it be that hard to write movies on the cheap so much. The answer is yes. This movie struggled for budget. Fox was very frugal about wanting to give this movie. Anything at the end. I guess it was a big battle with the producers and the studio to studio punishment was. We're going to put you out at the end of summer. August released not good the week after return of the living dead. So you know like if people even wanted to see Zombie movie the much better Zombie Film. They're not going to go to warning sign. This didn't even crack the top twenty disappeared. A blip you wouldn't have known it happened but it was always on cable and I just always saw pieces of it and I wanted to connect to again. I can't say I was excited but I wanted to connect the images in my mind and what they were talking about. It reminded me a lot of andromeda strain that pace the tone the kind of characters that were in it. It felt much more SCIENC- than your average Zombie movie.