Listen: Tristan Harris says tech is 'downgrading' humanity but we can fix it
"Human downgrading is the climate change of culture like climate change. It can be catastrophic. Unlike climate change only about a thousand people among like five companies need to change what they're doing. Now in saying that I'm not trying to disempower the thousands of millions of us outside of these systems that are like, well, then I guess, I'm not included. That's not at all. This is gonna take everyone. The policymakers the shareholder activists to put board resolutions on these companies board, you know, board meetings. The media guiding the conversation policymakers in government jobs to protect citizens from all these things everyone has a role. We're trying to simply facilitate an an exceleron that work by providing that common language understanding, we asked about policy one simple thing. You know? The best ethics is the ethics of symmetry do unto others as you would do unto yourself for the kids stuff. Imagine a world where you designed products in such a way that you. Happily endorse and have your own children. Use those products for hours a day that neutralizes about half the harms immediately. Because notice the none of the Silicon Valley executives have their own children use these products, the CEO of legible. So I've seen they use them. Well, I been around a lot of these children. It was about what he said when I say that it's not like Google search box or YouTube at all I mean, more like social media like a lot of them. Do not use social media at all. And you know, I it's just a such a simple shift to make and the CEO of lunch Ables food did not let his own children eat vegetables. Right. So you know, you have a problem when you are not eating your own dog food there needs to be skin in the game and other principle is that the people closest to the pain should be closest to the power. There are groups that are trying to bring these ethnic minorities in these developing countries most affected by these things with no public representations here. We are in the free world where you know, Rene Engalnd and others do this hard to do research, and they publish it in Washington Post in your times, you know, in Nigeria. Cameroon and Sri Lanka. They don't have that same level of accountability. And so we need those groups to have a seat at the table. They should be included. They need to be much more diversity, obviously in these conversations. But especially where we know sorted by the harms by the tensions that are being produced seem to be any movement that way they're hoping it goes away. They're hoping it goes awakening, Craig. Very hard marks. Now. Trying to create the greatest encrypted privacy organization on the planet. Now, he's just trying to encrypt it and hide it, right? And that day. I mean by missing something like he's like, oh, no the jigs up over here. I'm going over. Right. Well, in a lot of that, I'm assuming I always want to be, you know, his charitable as possible and give the benefit the doubt. I'm sure there are some good reasons for doing that based on you know, again, they're the only they're the only ones who have access to know. So whatever decision making they're doing. They're the only ones deciding that's a huge problem. Let's assume there's some good reasons for doing that besides that fact, there's still also the fact that this is the best way in the world to escape liability right because one of the things that happened with Russia investigations, they don't wanna look, you know, with with children's mental. They don't as soon as they look they're responsible. So you know, when it's all private, and these decentralized channels, suddenly it's all happening in the dark, and there are many of us who are concerned about what that means for disinformation. When there's no way to track. What's? So these are thorny problems are no easy solutions we need complexity and nuance more than ever we need thoughtfulness."