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"Fire that burned down a Jehovah's Witness kingdom hall and Lacey Friday's considered suspicious that it's caused hasn't been officially determined. Komo's Charlie harder tells us there have been similar fires at other kingdom halls over the past couple of months, and he spoke to a profiler about psychologists Joel voskan has researched and provided expert testimony about motivations for arson. I asked him for his take on what's happening in Thurston county. I'm sure that one hypothesis they'll be exploring his people who have some kind of grievance either real or perceived that they believe they've been harmed by that particular denomination, you how that people talk about their grievances before they resort to fire which will make their job a little easier because it's just a question to find out who expressed rage against. That there's a lot of reasons why people said fires, but one that's not infrequent his anger. And at least there's one theory. That's frequently adhere to by many professionals that it's kind of a primitive way of expressing rage and people who have other options for expressing rage may be less likely to use fire. So for example, sometimes people sue people when they're angry at but not everybody has equal access to to lawyers and stuff like that. Or or knows enough to think about how to express their grievances. Intellectual capacity. What do we know about that? Well, one thing that's been written about frequently is that people who are more limited intellectually are more likely to use fire to express rage because they have fewer other option, but I'm very cautious about those kind of findings because the people that we know. Oh about the arsonists that we know about are the ones who got caught. And it's certainly possible that people who are more limited intellectually may be more likely to be caught arson. Investigators will tell you that quite a few are since may be more than half are for profit and are much less likely to result in prosecution precisely because people know what they're doing. And do it in ways that make it more difficult to determine who committed the crime? Do you worry this arsonists could strike again? We don't always know. So if somebody didn't get identified and prosecuted and the crime stopped. We don't know why they stopped. We could the person been arrested for something else. Could they have felt like okay? My I paid them back. Now, I'm done could they have received some type of counseling or therapy for some other reason, you know, we again, we only know what we know. And it's really important for us to be humble about how much we don't know. I about these phenomena. How difficult is this work? It's not what you see on television. This is very very hard work. And God bless those guys there. Superstars. I mean, they're they're keeping us safer. And I think the world is up that psychologist and expert witness Dr Joel device on Charlie harder. Komo news. Four people in Virginia now hired with a murder for hire plot to kill a man's wife and her alleged boyfriend and then take out witnesses. That may have exposed them ABC's. Andy Field has details. Least say the murder for hire. Plot was a family affair that four people a husband his brother their mother and another person hired people to kill witnesses who had information about that husband, killing his wife the complicated. Plot centering on Joshua Frederico. In Chesterfield county Virginia it was his wife in a person. The police say was your boyfriend who were murdered for Rico's family and a friend now charged with hiring a hitman to kill witnesses. Andy Field ABC news.."