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"Ninety four w Marshall Harris hanging out with you until ten pm. Talking to Marietta things got a sixes team this red hot eagles team. That's trying to be red hot pliers team to turn it up. Just a little bit tonight side this afternoon. Sixty two winners. Got a lot going on. Mattel we're expecting to hear from Todd's lucky from MLB dot com. Talking about the Phillies hot stove. Let me just tell you guys. They need Bryce Harper or Manny Machado in the worst way in the worst way. Gotta get something. They come away not getting either of those two guys. It's been a poor off season. It has not gone things have not gone. Well. It could be worse. But it could be a lot better, and they have time to make it better. And everybody's looking at the winter meetings. And they're looking at the Phillies is that team? I'm old enough to remember. When the Phillies were the quote unquote mystery team in the pursuit of cliff Lee. Out of the shadows. Beating out the Yankees. John Middleton has a checkbook it is open. It is ready. It's got. Got to figure out a way. Have to figure out a way to get it done. So I guess I guess we'll see. I mean. It could be worse as I said before. But jeans girl is like a good start. It's not the way it's supposed to go. But we're we're trying to start something. So actually, I haven't studio some some expert guy. He's a our make sure I get this, right? Phillies quarter Sixers insider, or is it the other way around. No, no, no. You got it. Right. The first okay show is you don't get an off season. John one Johnson, you go from one team into the I've been I've been in that you potato Vichy like you've done that kind of job before I have been in that particular position. Now, you bring you were you were just noting about the Machado Machado Harper thing really struck a chord because this this is something that is starting to irk me a little bit. Oh, what's Arkin? You. Let's say they sign Manny Machado will his signing make a difference in ticket sales. No, no, no. It will not know they will continue to draw under twenty thousand people when they sign a player to three hundred and some million dollars. But they have a reputation they have the money. They owe you better. Of course, they have the money they had the money. But that's something. They're always going to weigh a factor. And I mean that's the goal right? Unlike the other, I know baseball makes a ton off of TV revenue, but that sport above the other three majors they get a ton from ticket sales because there are so many games. And if you bring in a guy like Machado, put all his talent aside because of his reputation, you're not gonna saw many more tickets at all. But I don't think they would sell them anymore tickets that they got Bryce Harper you beg to differ. So that's that's your big sticking point. That's my sticking point. Let's say let's say last year, they average twenty one thousand right? They signed Harper. I bet she goes up to thirty one thousand just off the bat just on the signing alone. They had ten thousand more seats per game. From one signing Machado. You might not a thousand maybe a thousand. Here's the other thing though. I will say this. When you asked me the question I thought we were talking about the beginning of the season. Yeah. Is there winning now? Come. Yeah. Winning trumps everything. Absolutely. Even if they're winning then everything else falls by the wayside. They they could sell out again. Sure. Okay. So my thing is it's here. The winter meetings aren't are. Now, they're coming. Yes. We've been waiting for so long I need some how different or similar is this to the free agency period for the NBA when you're waiting to see what the Sixers did. Reporter. That's a really good question. But I mean this where they're in a situation. Now, they have to sign one of those two guys otherwise the fan base OB peo- beyond belief. All right. Look, you you're saying that John Johnson has made his opinion heard and we appreciated. John is always ties a lucky from MLB dot com is on the phone with us right now. And he's I'm sure excited about the winter meetings tide is that fair. Yeah. I I actually kind of image cited about this winter meetings and not not just because they're in Vegas. Yeah. We know. We don't have real reason time. No. The fact that they have so much to do and there are so many expectations. And it seems like there's so many different ways. They could go about this off season still should make it. I mean, I've been writing all off season. You know, this is really the Phillies is biggest off season since probably the the off season. They signed Jim Thome e before the two thousand just just in terms of expectations. What do you think about it? You know, like. Are the patient and the expectations. I mean, this is this is a big one. They have they have to they have to do a good job here. Now. So you were in season when the whole LeBron chooses L A and Paul George stays in Oklahoma City in the Sixers don't trade for Kawhi. Leonard thing went down there. There are parallels to me, and I know you're not basketball's not your first port, certainly. But I feel like there will be a collective I don't even know what the emotion will be if both Machado and Harper go elsewhere. How do you think that will play out not only with the fan base? But really with the guy at the top and John Middleton. Yeah. I think there's gonna be a lot of disappointment. I think with a lot of fans there's gonna be some anger, and I think John Middleton certainly will be disappointed, and maybe even a little bit upset because I think he's very aware of what the fan perception is and he wants to fans to obviously like the Phillies and and come to the ballpark. And he is, you know, especially after he made that comment to USA today about you know, where we could spend a little bit me be a little bit stupid. And how we spend our money if you come up. Empty now that it's it's not a really a good luck. So you have to do something. And in a in a sense, if you take a step back is it, but it wouldn't cripple the organization or an things if they missed out in Harper Machado, if they went out, and they did a bunch of other really really good things. But it's gonna be a really hard, sell and things would be just be so much easier. If you assigned Harper or Machado, and you knew you're going to have him hitting third or whatever and the lineup for the next five to ten years. It's the difference between slowly dipping your toes into the water. And then going for a nice leisurely swim as opposed to climb into the tallest diving board, you can see and just can't embalming right in. That's next the different side. I look at what they've done so far. What have you made of the moves so far with the trades? I really liked the gene cigarette trade in that. I don't think there was a market much of a market for Carlos Santana. At least in the in the sense of. If they were gonna trade Carlos Santana to another team, they were probably going to have to eat a lot of that contract. So the fact that they got to move Santana not pay a dime of it not have to give up a prospect in that deal, and you get Jean Segura who. He's a two time all star. He's he's a definite upgrade over what they had last year shortstop. And what I like about that deal is that it gives them a little bit of flexibility where if they don't sign Machado. We'll least they've already upgraded the left side of the infield. And you know, so so in that sense, they don't have to feel so desperate like if if if if Machado signs elsewhere, or whatever they just don't have to go in a panic mode. Like, oh my God. Oh my God. We have we have an address infield David dressed it if they get Machado and he agrees to play third base. It's a huge bonus. If Machado goes and signs with the Yankees to play shortstop well now, they can focus their efforts back on Bryce Harper and hand bring him into the fold in the outfield, and the other thing I like about it too. Is that it takes Hoskins out of left field? They move Hoskins back to first base. So the defense got better at shortstop it got better in left field pretty much no matter who plays in life feel next year. Yeah. And and and that's a big thing. This that defense, I can't stress and. Enough is was really really bad last year. I think we all know. You know, what's it? Like, I historically speaking. Like if you go back defensive runs saved that's kind of like the new vogue defensive metric the Phillies there their final season. Number was like. It was like one of the worst numbers in like fifteen years since defensive runs saved became like a a statistic that was used he knows arguably you could make the argument. This is the Phillies were the worst defensive team in baseball over the last fifteen years. I mean, that's how bad the Phillies is defense was so they have to make some improvements. So they're trying to make improvement. I I'm you know, what I'm really curious about tied the pitching, I'm really curious as to how the philosophy on starting pitching and bullpen pieces. And it was a shock to a lot of people system to see what gave Kappa was doing. Although if you watched the rest of major league baseball, clearly all the other teams were doing the same thing. How do you think that will affect what they do? Whether it's free agency are making more trades trying to shore up the starting pitching while moving some of the starting pitching perhaps or acquiring another starter too. And then getting the bullpen pieces lined up again. You know, they definitely wanna left handed star. That's why they went after Patrick Corbin. And you know, I I wouldn't have given him six years either by they I think they're smart enough to recognize that they need to bring in one more piece a more reliable piece to that rotation preferably lefty, I like Jay hap- 'cause he's not going to cost you too much in terms of you know, he's not going to cost you a four or five six year deal. You could probably get him on a three year deal. I know he's thirty six, but he's been really good over the last three years if they don't get him. You could trade for Robbie Ray from the Diamondbacks. Dallas Keiko's out there, Madison. Bumgarner, you kind of scares me a little bit because this is Las he's been going down. But yeah, but you know, but they they at least recognize that they need to do something to that rotation. And but I do think that they also see what other teams are doing in baseball. They watched the postseason certainly they see the value of a really good bullpen. So they're I think they're still looking at Zach Britton. They're looking at Andrew Miller. You know, they've kind of kick the tires a little bit on Craig kimbrel. So and and to the, you know, the James Baker trade they brought in to relievers. They try Luis Garcia for Jose Alvarez. The other day, he's a left handed reliever. So you also see the value in having a really really strong bullpen.."