Tony Licencee, She H. And and DPA discussed on Drugs and Stuff

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To take you to argue What about you, Derek? I mean, what brought you to drug policy reform? I wanna make sure you have an opportunity and uh, to answer the question as well. 'cause I'm always curious to hear about, you know, the Y. Yeah. No, I think I don't know if we ever got into our our real history when uh, you know, on the show before. But yeah, I took a class in my, um, Last semester in college. And it really open my mind because I was, you know, uh, taking I wasn't really sure where I was going. I had a legal studies kind of focus on I was interested in how the the laws impacted people's lives. And so far that And in sink, Just seeing the real, um, terrible impact. I mean, it just ate it got me motivated. And I started seeing documentaries and I saw for our, uh, you know, are are fearless, are former fearless leader, Ethan Nadelmann speak in a documentary and saw a bunch of other people speaking and got really, really energize. I was working for a city councilman here. In Brooklyn and was really interested in seeing how reduction could be implemented in real life. I was actually working on a pro, a policy proposal to open a wet homeless shelter in the green point area where they have a really, a really small population of people who are really, um, cycling in and out of emergency rooms. Um, using up a lot of services and it was their problems weren't really being addressed in a an effective way. And the city council room was interested in looking at a, um, opening a homeless shelter where they allowed people to actually use alcohol or other places where they make you kind of like drink whatever you have on EU before you come in or completely prohibited. It just led to more problems for people people falling over hitting their heads or And so I I just saw how if we can do I harm reduction proposal for alcohol, it can work for other drugs even though it wasn't really moving forward for alcohol. It was implemented in places like Seattle. And places in Canada Just like we see our other effective harm-reduction things that we advocate for, like you said before, Tony's supervise injection facilities, and what not being implemented in other places. And yeah, I just was like, this is possible. Another world is possible, Tony licencee and a lot. And it's true. I mean, we're seeing the evidence in all these other places in the US is just lagging behind me miles. So many people are dying Your after year. And something even use the talk about was the cost of the slow learning curve. And that's like a really powerful visuals. Asian for me. I mean, how when we look back once we got it in an bright who knows five, ten years, hopefully sooner. But once we have it right And we look back and we look at how many people needlessly died. It's just it's shame on us, and I just want to be on the right side of history. So this work means so much. And yeah, it's. It's That's what keeps me on. I like the Tommy whereby you How'd you get into this pal? I got into it. And what. And, you know, brought me to DPA or two different things. Uh, what brought me to DPA was a Ufan Seriously. Uh, you know, going into Tony's history, our histories intersected uh, in the mid nineties in San Francisco at the PR firm that he mention. And you know, just given our work history in, uh, in a friendship over the years, Tony was looking for, uh, a deputy director, media relations asked me if I knew anybody who might be right for the position. And I had a great recommendation form at the me. So you know, that's what brought me to DPA. But you know, a through, uh, the PR firm that Tony mentioned before, You know, I was able to work on your policy stuff. Uh, before going back to prop 215 in California, where back in 1990 She H. And then you know, the federal government, You know, fighting against the will of California voters. And it had been an issue that I was familiar with. With in, on a professional level before I came to DPA, but more importantly, You know, I I came from a small town in the south where drugs in race were really tied up in very messy ugly ways. Look, I'll just like any other you know, American teenager, You know, who liked to uh, experiment with a little bit of the refers from time to time, but because I didn't have a you know, complexion for the protection, you know, my black skin made me a little bit more at risk to,

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