Listen: Does Epstein's suicide deny his accusers justice?
"This morning. I read a a column in the new york times from james stewart. He actually visited epstein in his manhattan home. Last year this new york times columnist visited epstein and and to your point barbara about the victims losing their opportunity to confront epstein in court and and communicate to him directly the harm and damage that he 'cause. I mean last year to this times columnist. Jeffrey epstein was still saying he was saying he didn't actually he. He thought that laws that prevented sexual contact with with underage girls were wrong that he did that. Those laws were were antiquated notions oceans of of of human behavior so i'm not sure i mean this is all speculation now but i'm not sure what effect that the confrontation or the victim's ability to confront on epstein would have had on them on him. Do you see what i'm saying like it would have helped them which is important but it wouldn't have had any impact on him. It doesn't seem well. Maybe not and you know if he is a you know he's presumed innocent until convicted but upon conviction <hes> making him listen to those things. I think perhaps could convince him but you know it's not about convincing him. It's about giving the girls and opportunity to explain why it is harmful to them. They're not adults. I read that same interviewing equated waded into homosexuality which at one time and in some places still is illegal and it's just because we are not yet as enlightened as we should be. <hes> children are underage do not i have the ability to form the kind of judgment necessary to make those decisions for themselves in in gay sex. If you have adults making their own decisions that's a very different thing and and so <hes> he manipulated these girls by turning their heads with payments and promises of modeling careers he was a cool older guy who made them feel special l. and for that reason <hes> accepted in getting involved in these sex acts which they now say themselves that they they regret and feel victimized is by and so it may have paid for him to listen to that but beyond him in convincing him convinces society and explains"