"KCRW sponsors include net. Flicks presenting the love me when I'm dead chronicling the last years of Orson Welles life that genius behind citizen. Kane. It's wildly entertaining while full of nuance and depth directed by Morgan Neville now streaming only on Netflix as the holidays approach supporting KCRW might slip off your to do list. So try this picture the white sand beaches of Los Cabos, Mexico. Explore majestic coral reefs in a glittering see dine out in the historic colonial district and ring in the new year from the beachfront luxury of the viceroy. It's KCRW's viceroy Los calbos ultimate New Year's Eve getaway. Sweeps. Donate today to the automatic we entered to win your ticket to paradise sweeps. Ends November thirteenth. So do it. Now at KCRW dot com slash join. I'm Kim masters, and this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Matt Bellamy of the Hollywood reporter and Matt this week as you know, I'm in Lisbon Portugal this week and starting November. I actually the dish network no longer is carrying HBO. And this is the. First time that this has happened with HBO at anyone that carries HBO that they're at these fights are quite commonplace. Among the broadcast networks or cable networks, they want more money from places that carrot that distribute their content for the privilege of of carrying their content. But this is the first time that HBO has been in a fight that got to this level and significantly the first time that this kind of fight has come to this point since AT and T acquired the Time Warner assets, which includes HBO, and this is a sort of thing that you know, when you look at a big acquisition AT and T buying Time Warner with Warner Brothers and HBO this that and the other an HBO was the crown jewel there. Of course, was a fear that you know, they would strangle the competition or crush the people who have to do business with them. And I guess an argument could be made here. They're doing it. Yeah. I mean dish network competes with direct TV in the satellite business. Direct TV is owned by eighteen. Tea, and now AT and T has this asset HBO that lo and behold, it has been yanked off of dish, which conceivably could make people switch from dish to direct TV. Now, I think it's a little bit more complicated than that in. What you saw from Richard player the of HBO he put out a statement today. Saying no dish took this off dish HBO was ready to do a deal and dish essentially balked and caused them to go dark and the economics. Here are interesting because dish is a lower cost provider. Their whole marketing campaign is we cost less than the big boys like direct TV. So it is possible that they tried to extract some kind of a price concession and HBO emboldened by this new AT and T relationships said, no, you gotta you gotta pay up, but even the specter of AT and T. Acting improperly may impact this appeal which is going on right now. The Justice department is asking a pellet panel to revisit this merger. And the fact that this carriage dispute is going on is probably not good for eighteen in that merger appeal. I mean, it's not technically legal issue. That was addressed when the Justice department tried to block AT and T from buying Time Warner this was not the basis of the argument, they made maybe it should have been. But but notwithstanding the fact that that is not what is at issue that the superior court panel is reviewing it would still get into the heads of someone who reads a business page of a newspaper. A look what's happening AT and T is being a big bad owner of this property. There is a general skepticism. I think towards these companies, and we all kind of assume they're doing the worst thing they could possibly do for the market in their customers that they could get away with. But you know, there are two sides to this and dish has. Long history of getting into carriage fights with various channel companies networks, they are cheap and they're famously cheap. Charlie Ergen who runs dish has been a very controversial si yo, and he's not afraid to pull content. He pulled the Univision channel from dish. When they couldn't reach a deal, and that still is not on the dish network. So there's a lot of players here. That's Mandela knee aditorial director of the Hollywood reporter. He joins me this Monday at two o'clock on the business. I'm Kim masters, and this is the Hollywood breakdown this podcast was made by public radio station. KCRW our status has nonprofit enables us to make bold and unusual programs. But we need your support to keep it that way donate or become a member at KCRW dot com slash join. Thanks."