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Pakistan. Jackie welcome thank you very much. This new interim government is made up of a lot of the old guard. Tell us who they are. You're right. I mean there are a lot of familiar faces here That have been with the taliban from many many years. The new head of the afghanistan's government interim head is a man named muhammad hassan. A koon and he's considered a hard liner. You absolutely he from kandahar. Which is the birthplace of the taliban and he's held various leadership roles over the years including foreign minister and deputy prime minister when the tel ban ruled afghanistan in the nineties. So he's got experience Updo ghani batard on this is interesting. He heads the talibans political officer. He's going to be the interim deputy prime minister but this was a a surprise. He was really Widely expected to lead the taliban government a couple others You know there's the son of mullah omar who founded the taliban. He's now the in term defense minister and then we have sirajjidin Connie who is basically on a wanted list with the us and the fbi and he has a you know a five million dollar bounty on his head so you know. Those are some of the people that we can expect that. Be running afghanistan on the next short while an maybe once. They finalize the government has well connie as you mentioned the. Us considers him a to be a terrorist. They put him on the fbi. Most wanted list. Can you tell us a little bit more about why he's on. The fbi most wanted list absolutely. He's part of a Network if you like terror network. It's actually called the connie network and He himself has been behind a number of really large terrorist attacks. You in afghanistan and here in pakistan as well. And as i said you know. He's got a multimillion dollar bounty on his head and he will be the interim interior minister the backdrop of all of this of course is at the taliban short the us and all of its allies that they'd attempt to be more inclusive and moderate. These appointments do they show us just how little the taliban has really changed. Yes it would appear that way. I mean i think the us Its allies were expecting something. A bit broader as the government was concerned at least different ethnic groups if you like or perhaps even a woman and what's interesting is The fellow saying that should have been Everybody was expecting abdul ghani. Bottom dot was interesting with him is that he is considered a moderate. If you're talking to taliban turns he is seen as a conciliator. He was the one that was involved in the peace negotiations and he is not the leader at this point and that tends you know analysts here feel that they will not be as moderate as people hope they were just because of batard are not getting in there and certainly the fact you have no woman you have no different ethnic groups anything like that. What is the us set about this and its allies. Well it's it's interesting The state department put out a statement yesterday and it was. It just said you know it's concerned about the affiliations and the track records of some of those people now holding posts and afghanistan's government. But you can almost see. They don't want to be too aggressive to forward leaning too harsh at this point because there are still a lot of americans in afghanistan and they need The taliban help what has been the reaction where you are in pakistan. It's been kind of muted pakistan is sort of an interesting position when it comes to afghanistan. You know they thought long ties with the taliban pakistan wants security at wants to -bility in this region You know the intelligence chief was in kabul over the weekend How much pakistan still has influence over. The taliban is hard to say people. Are i think almost taking a wait and see attitude here as well. You mentioned there aren't any women in this cabinet. What do these new government appointees signal about the future for afghans. I mean all of these demonstrations are happening there. Being put down violently by the taliban they beat women who are protesting for their rights Yeah what does this actually mean in the long term possibly right. I mean if the taliban is saying out on one side of the moat that they're going to be monitoring that you know people are going to have a say and then you see these protests being put down violently You know women are getting rifle butts in the heads and things like that. I think what's really interesting is that people are still going out to demonstrate. You know they know where the taliban is like. But it just you know. They've had these relative freedoms for twenty years and all of a sudden they're being taken away in there just strikes me that they're almost impromptu demonstrations and they're passionate and people are coming out. They know what the taliban can do. They can kill them. You know during demonstrations like this and you've gotta admire them that these people are still coming out a lot of them don't have their faces covered so they can be tracked down. Npr's jackie northam is always. Thank you so much my pleasure. Thank you will in richmond. Virginia today an historic moment as crowds gathered this morning to watch crews remove a twelve ton statue of confederate general robert e lee.

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