'The President's Man' Author Dwight Chapin on How Nixon Evolved

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Folks, welcome back, the book is the president's man Dwight Chapin. So you were with him from when you were a very young man to the very end of his life. Did Nixon change in your eyes? Was he a different man shortly before his death than he had been in the presidency in any way? Yes. I believe he changed. I met him when he was first after he had just been vice president and like with anyone. With doctor Kissinger, any of these men, I mean, they are getting older. They are getting that thing called wisdom, wiser, and they are working at a different pace. There's more space in discussions and thinking about things. So president Nixon to me was always the same man, but there was just this shifting and more of a relaxed thing about him. In the days when he's running for office and dealing with the political issues, that calls for basically a different kind of psychic than when you've moved to being an author and you're looking back and reflecting Bill Clinton had an interesting comment. He talked about Nixon's trip to Russia right before Nixon died he went to Russia, and he came back and he wrote this very long memorandum to president Clinton analyzing everything that was going on in Russia. So it was kind of a perspective mentality. So Nixon died and what was 2002 or something like that? And you're saying he went so after the Soviet Union had fallen, he Nixon went back. I didn't remember this. And one of the things he always did was to talk to all of the leaders on the way up that were not necessarily in power. So he never just relied on talking to whoever was running a country. He wanted to talk to the opposition and to the others involved.

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