Monocle Reads: Jenny Kleeman

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Guess today, an esteem documentary filmmaker WHO's reported from all corners of the globe for BBC One's Panorama Channel Four's dispatches, and many more applying her investigative background to dig deep into some downright bizarre stories, her first book, Sex robots and Vegan meet adventures at the frontier of birth food, sex and death provide a sideways look at some of the fundamental aspects of human life. Jenny claiming welcome to the show, thank you very much for having me now in your television career. You've traveled the world. You've discovered some extraordinary stories, so why the shift in medium? Why Right Book Now? Who is really loved writing as well as as making documentaries. I always used to write articles at the same time. Long form articles I've been writing for the Guardian for quite a long time. So I've always loved writing, but I felt that that kind of the kind of questions that I wanted to ask the experience that I wanted to have. We'd be Best Assisi to actually in this case, even though it is a very visual story, my book is about full. Inventions that going to change what it means to be human, and it's very much kind of repertoire Taj. I very much treat writing the book like how I would making documentary. The book is very much in scenes. It's very kind of visual about going in describing things. But the the the book is that you can really. Look at the issues in the ideas and the kind of intellectual his behind things in a way that you can't really with a piece of television, and that these kinds of stories needed to be told in a slightly way in a way that wasn't so relying on the visual, even though they are very well, let's look at some of those fundamental questions starting with life. What if we could have babies without having Tibet? Bear children. Tell us what you found out on that. I found out that for years. Human beings have been trying to engineer artificial williams, and these all at the moment, being developed to save the lives of very premature babies, premature sees is the leading cause. Of Death and disability among young children in the developed world, and so there is a there's a concerted attempt to try and make technology improved because at the moment we have incubators. The incubators treat premature babies like that babies who've been born. An artificial wound treats them as fetuses that have been born yet so that the process of station can continue. Out of course as we get better and better at doing that as we get inveterate developing that technology, we can save evermore premature babies, which pushes the boundaries of viability. Earlier in earlier. And ultimately we're certainly not at that point yet. Ultimately, we might get to a point where you can find an a wholesale replacement, so pregnancy and reproduction will be entirely equality between the sexes. They'll be exactly the same amount of labor to men and women. They'll provide the gates, and and the pregnancy will take place outside of that body's. Sounds wonderful, doesn't it? It doesn't it doesn't I mean this? Is it for some people? It's wonderful, but unless we change the social conditions in which this technology is emerging, it could be potentially very damaging. It's going for some people great for people who have medical conditions that mean they can't be pregnant. Women Phoolan Without Williams women who've had hysterectomies, women who fit pregnancy women whose careers mean they. They can't really be pregnant. It's quite for gay men. It's great for trans. Women it's great for people who are in situations where they are forced to choose between having medical treatment. People who are diagnosed with cancer during their pregnancies, but what it does is by leveling reproduction and making absolutely equal. It means that women. are in a position where they they could give up. They have to give up the one fundamental. How that they've always had over men and in doing that? They lose I in writing a piece. I realized that there are certain rights that women have that. Men Don't have so for example I have the right to choose not to become a parents which a man doesn't have which means that. If I'm pregnant on I, don't. Don't want to have a baby then I can choose to have termination, which means the baby weren't exist in the world of artificial wombs that very difficult to to to make a case based on the right to choose for abortion, because abortion can be both pro choice and pro life You can have a baby. You can say you don't want a pregnancy to happen to your body, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the. The baby must die. States could could sanction to you to terminate pregnancy, but then he doesn't follow that you as a use, a mother should be able to say. I also don't want my child today. So a show where that will be children growing up his whose mothers didn't want didn't want to be pregnant with the which is the present. The two loss of men live with and there were lots of other dystopia. dystopia realities that the came to light from doing artificial wings. What happens if a state decides? That woman is unfit to be pregnant when artificial womb technology exists, they could demand that she gives her baby up. So all of these inventions have come along with with unintended consequences as all of radically disrupted technology does, and it was those unintended consequences that I focused on as much as as the kind of potential revolutionary benefits technology. And I mean even even creating that baby in the first place I mean you talk about how to have a perfect sexual relationship without compromise really without having to to engage with another human being. Yes is sex robots? It's this idea that because at the moment you can already boy incredibly hyper realistic, silicon sex Dole's. I went to an amazing factory in San Diego facilities. Sex does being manufactured

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