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"Force in building the new society the book Cuban women confront the future by bill much aspen. foreign. this is the Thom Hartmann program. welcome back tomorrow in here with you even talking about the Republican strategy that seems to be forming in and well formed actually over on fox news on Sinclair broadcasting right wing hate radio for about a year now setting this thing up work trump is going to be going into the election claiming that almost so this is the result of socialist Democrats running big cities and so we'll get back into that our daughter obrzeg capital B. nagaram bribery all kinds of stuff on the table and here for the program today I wanted to get into the the issue of the attack on Saudi Arabia's oil facilities over the weekend on the line with us is the president of the national Iranian American council my again I AC Jamal OB E. night Nyack dot org and I AC dot org is the website and you can tweet them at a and I eight council or or Jamal is J. A. B. D. I. on Twitter a Jamal walking back to the program. glad to be here to so you can give us give us a summary basically of what we know at this point I mean we've got this this headline from The Washington Post here the Saudi oil attacks or signs of trump's Mideast fiasco this is Max boot's place and he says basically trumps Middle East policy has failed at the root of the problem is trump's decision outsource Middle East leadership to Israel and Saudi Arabia is it in your opinion is that really at the core of the Saudi what personal what happened and and what we make of it. yeah there's a lot to unpack what happened was there was a attack on a. on to Saudi somebody's that will significantly disrupt the flow of oil it's already having a prison to be an impact on those markets and the who sees of young men who are currently involved in a civil war and which you know is the Saudi with the support of the United States has been bombing and has helped create the world's greatest military disaster the Hootie's claimed credit for it but the United States in Mike Pompeii was quick to come out and say no this is not the who sees the strike was not launch from Yemen it was launched by eva Braun potentially from either Iraq or Iran so those are that's the you know if you can call it a fact pattern I hate to use that word when it comes to my palm pale that's where we're at I think at the risk of you know in a fight with Max boot yeah I I think that the right analysis yeah if I if I can as I mean isn't typically what Hey I live over there so much surveillance their satellite surveillance there's you know air traffic control surveillance there's all kinds of radar Saudi Arabia has some very very sophisticated systems that have been provided by the United States we should add by the way that the bombs being dropped on the hood these that I have now led to the world's greatest humanitarian crisis millions of people suffering from malnutrition on the edge of starvation the Saudis are bombing the port through which the food comes into the key into the country Yemen among other things that those bombs all have made in the USA printed on them so you know and and nobody is suggesting that to the best of my knowledge that the United States is directly bombing Yemen although we have been assisting the Saudis into an assistance that I find pretty pretty horrific but I mean isn't isn't there enough you know radar surveillance that if it's true that these drones are these missiles whichever they are currently drums will launch for. either rack her or ran that the Saudis would be able say here here's the documentary evidence here's the here's the the video or the screen shot or whatever of our radar you can see it you can see where it came from I mean if it if it was the case when I take them like ten minutes to try that out. I don't know who would take ten minutes I don't know. how sophisticated the attack was supposedly it was it was ten drones that were flown in I think so what you're putting a finger on is there should be some evidence that is brought forward beyond just our secretary of state saying Iran has a mode of and so we think it's it's the run and this is the same guy who said he Ron was behind nine eleven you know he'll say anything by comparison weighing in making this case we see nothing okay said Iran was behind nine eleven. yeah and Palmdale has attended to link Iran with al Qaeda because the authorization for war is for war against al Qaeda after nine eleven so he declassified a bunch materials share them with this hawkish organization to try to promote while he was at CIA this is something very close to him. so how is this plane within Iran I know I know that they've come out and said no we didn't do this. yeah. E. Rhonda is denying any involvement I do think that you know Iran has provided support for those who sees so there's probably a good chance that there are some Iranian fingerprints on this but the notion that you Ron has command and control over the who sees or any other group that might have been involved with this I think is a little bit food grade and I do you know we talk about the humanitarian disaster in Yemen there's also the fact that he Iran is under these massive sanctions from the US Iran is not able to export its own oil and so yeah there's probably a motive for Iran to push back but there's also this question of well the Iranians are actually open to negotiation there was talk of a potential meeting between trump and Rohani and I think the run is really wanted to see some movement on the sanctions issue before they could green light such a meeting and now that seems to be completely off the table which is another strong argument for it for the fact that for arguing their lan had nothing to do with this they might have sold this weapon rate to Yemen on the assumption that Yemen would use it to defend itself against the Saudis locally but that had they known that this was going to be the outcome they wouldn't have done it at this point in time set reasonable. yeah I think that's that's the only reason one connection the other thing that I find fascinating is that a couple of days ago trump or you know yesterday early on was a real early after this happened trump was all over this is all around us fall and then suddenly he started dialing it back and start and started talking out loud about or tweeting about how America is now an oil exporting country in it and it hit me you know maybe maybe trump got a phone call from some of the local oil barons in the United States saying you know this really isn't a bad thing for us the price of oil just went up fifteen twenty Bucks a barrel we're gonna make a hell of a lot more money one is back off and and you know just let us make our money here what you think of that. well I I think the problem is that trump is really ready to have a strong economy and if this shock had a negative value on the economy and helps to trigger a recession in an election year that's a big problem for trump I think he's juggling a series of interests that include wanting to look like a deal maker wanting to not look like a little longer but to look tough the outsourcing of foreign policy in the Middle East to Saudi and the Israelis and then the desire to be reelected have a strong economy and I I don't think he's up to the task of juggling all these things yeah I think that to say the very least so talking withdrawal mob day the president of the national Iranian American council in Nyack dot org so. for Americans who are you know who are calling their members of Congress and same please do or don't do something at a Ford for those of us who are concerned about the future US foreign policy in the region what do you think is the most useful response to all of us. the one that there's a political firewall against military action and I think that without a strong response from the grass roots as well as you know in the media there's going to be this growing acceptance by sort of the national security class in Washington that the US has to respond there were people who are often associated with the reason aside a debate who the last time there was a potential for their placed with US strikes without really understanding the implications and the fact that that would likely lead to the unraveling that could lead to an all out regional war so I really think you know for people at home is really important to call does your representative as well as your two senators and ask them to come out on the record and push back against any on authorize."