Listen: Major Takeaways From Tuesday's Impeachment Hearings
"Today was a big day for the public hearings on the impeachment. Investigation number of trump administration administration officials did testify. One of those officials. Was Kurt. Volker who is no longer a trump administration official but he was formally The special envoy in Ukraine now his testimony publicly apparently is different from what he said privately. So let me give you the details IOS according to Various sources The week writes in his original closed door testimony when asked if there was any talk of investigating the Biden's in July ten and meeting with Ukrainian defence leader Volker repeatedly answered no but when appearing publicly before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday Volker reverse that statement on Tuesday Volker acknowledged that Gordon Psalm land the US ambassador to the EU brought up the investigations and that he found it inappropriate in fact in the next clip. That you're about to watch. He discusses what he really feels about the demand for the Biden investigations nations. This references the conversation. I had with Mr Giuliani as well where I think. The the allegations against Vice President Biden ourselves serving bringing and not credible so the fact that he says that it self serving is important because one of the trump defenses that we commonly hear from Republicans is it. What's the big deal? Quid pro quo. We do it all the time right. I mean we do. We make these deals with foreign leaders. Yeah you make the deals with foreign leaders in in an effort to do what's in the best interest of America overall. Not what's in the best interest of the president or his political campaign which was the case with Donald Trump trump or the very least in the best interests of the American military industrial complex but not for individual politicians Yeah and it also undercuts. I I know that a lot of right wingers had been expecting that he might sort of come up hint that well you know there were concerns about Biden at the time. Like that's that's one of the main like one of the main three. I guess defenses if the trump was that obviously issues of Biden and his family and so you cannot say that it was weird to bring it up but he's pointing out that no the people in the meeting knew that there was no legitimate reason talking about investigation by that time and in previous testimony We learned that the investigation into the Biden's makes no sense because the accusation Asian by trump is that Biden wanted to get rid of a prosecutor in Ukraine who was investigating Burris MMA but now we have multiple support people who are part of trump's administration. Saying no that prosecutor who got fired first of all the international community wanted him to get fired because the investigation was a stagnant and that particular prosecutor was corrupt. And so you say that. And it's so simple so easy understand but even that very easy to under the understanding in like three months that this scandal has been in the public like attention. You can't accept that. No I still think no no by Biden project to them so I get your perspective and you're right you're definitely right but also at the same time like this is why the giant conflict of interest of having Hunter Hunter Hunter Biden. Serve on. That board is coming back to bite. Biden You know because you really shouldn't have been on that board. Let's keep it real honest about that. Might China have a big conversation where we finally take stock of the fact. That nepotism is a huge thing in American politics and American business in America entertainment and music and the media and all of that and we we strip all those people that positions that make them actually earn what they get. Ben Sure we get rid of Hunter Biden in you. Know Jared Kushner doesn't have his job and you get the trump's aren't running the trump organization Shen and Meghan McCain's off the view and everything. I think we can totally have that conversation. It's probably long overdue. But that is not what Donald Trump was trying to do. It is so disingenuous of the right to pretend that that trump actually cared about hunter by not insofar as hurts the credibility of Biden an election but because Hunter Biden being on that board means well. That's really hurting the energy sector of Ukraine. I won't stand for it. No Look I. One hundred percent agree with you and think about Donald Trump and the nepotism within his own administration. I mean two of his top advisors are family members who have absolutely no business serving in the White House or in any form of government for that matter. Yeah so One other quote from volkers testimony that I wanNA share with you. He said quote. I participated in on the July ten meeting between National Security Adviser Bolton and then Ukrainian chairman of the National Security and Defense Council. Alex Danube Daniel loop. Who has the best name I love? Because as a reminder The meeting was essentially over when ambassador. Gordon solid again. Gordon Sahlin keeps coming coming up Made a generic comment about investigations. I think all of us thought it was inappropriate. The conversation did not continue and the meeting concluded. Yeah so can I just talk briefly about So Volker his what he just said a little bit different in some substantive ways from what you said earlier silent was the earlier version of that he originally originally said no quid pro quo totally not. And he's like sorry I meant quid pro quo. It's easy to get this to mix up and you know why the reason why changes testimony is because his testimony conflicted did a great deal from the testimony given by other trump administration officials exactly in. So that's what's really interesting about. The Republicans didn't want the closed door hearings. They also coincidentally don't want the public ones but they didn't want the private ones but the thing that the private ones brought was they had multiple people come in talk about what they knew and then when stuff started to come out from it some of them started to realize like oh it's gonna be really hard to sustain what I told them or best case scenario some of them their memories jogged or whatever and so now they're story is changing especially when they have apparently come to the understanding that they work for a guy that would love to throw them under a bus and they. They don't want to be the person who goes down for this Gordon San's like this was just fun man. I just spent a million dollars. I thought it'd be cool to be ambassador for a few years. I don't WanNa go to jail for Donald Trump. And so if Gordon Gordon Sunland tells the truth or at the very least avoids going to jail for perjury or something like that. Then at the very least from his point of view it passes the buck to Rudy Giuliani. Who can go to jail right? And I think that it is honestly given what we've heard 'cause look we know that investigations into trump don't necessarily work out out the way that you would expect them to. Even if there's overwhelming evidence you know the obstruction of justice outlined in the report is just so clear but all the people surrounding funding Donald Trump who engaged in any type of criminal activity paid the consequences. So if I had to take a bet on. The fate of Rudy Giuliani Donald. Trump's personal lawyer. He's in a lot of trouble. And trump will throw him under a bus as soon as it's convenient for him to do so."