Listen: #89: How to Detox Your Brain for Clearer Thinking, Deeper Relationships, and Lasting Happiness with Drs. David and Austin Perlmutter
"Mindset all with the goal of helping. You understand how your brain is not broken. I'm your host protein each week my team and I bring on a new guest or Guest plural who we think can help you improve your brain health. Feel better and live more. This week's guests are board certified neurologists in four time New New York Times bestselling author Dr David Parameter and his son. WHO's also joining us here in Santa Monica Studio? Dr Austin Promoter Board Certified Internal Medicine in physician and together co authors of the all new book which is out this week. Please go get it you will not regret it. Brainwash Detox Fox your mind for clear thinking deeper relationships and most importantly lasting happiness gentlemen welcome to the podcast delighted to be here. Thanks for having me. I want to say as somebody who works with his family. My my business partners Dr Mark Hyman but my sister's in the company my aunts and the company. My Dad is helping us. He's retired but he's helping US launch this new venture that we're doing it just music to my ears is to see you guys writing a book together before we jump into it. What was that process like like father and son working on a book together? We've already jumped into it. You want to start Austin sure. Well it's been straight up one of the most meaningful experiences princes of my life and I really can't emphasize that enough getting to know my dad in this context is so different from turning to a father for general advice. We've been in doing the science together waking up in the morning drinking several cups of coffee sitting down at the table looking over these studies and having this intellectual connection and that has been absolutely phenomenal but on the other hand the interpersonal dynamic of being able to work with somebody. I care about so much on a message that that is going to be so helpful to so many people has been the other really key aspect of this and honestly I knew it was going to be a big deal writing book. I've always heard is a huge process but it has been really. I don't WanNa say easy but wonderful throughout and I would tell tell you that when you have your son who thinks that Dad's cool enough that he wants to hang out with them. That's pretty pretty excited. We've done that for years. And whether it's playing frisbee golf at night with lighted Frisbees or who knows what we've done a lot of stuff together over the years now. This becomes an incredible project with a huge goal Truthfully the the messaging of our book evolved in the process of writing the book What promulgated the original idea was both of us being physicians and working with patients doing the very best we can to learn as much information as as possible then imparting that information to the patient and then experiencing an incredible level of frustration because the patient then doesn't implement implement that information so we wanted to design the initial plan was to design the bridge between information and action so that causes us then to evaluate evaluate where the breakdown happens? Why is it that people can know what is the best decision to make and yet they don't do that and you know we ask physicians and I think in general people tend to point fingers and say what's wrong with that person who's making bad decisions? Why don't they eat less? Carbohydrates or whatever the goal may be and I think that what we learned through the research that we've done for brainwash is that there are many trappings of our modern in society. Our modern world. That really stacks the deck against you being able to make better decisions. So yeah there's great information Out there you know. There are plenty of author's writing great books and You know we have the monitor shells books by everybody. You know my books. I think. Harry Good Information Dr Hammonds putting out amazing information but what we realized is that these books and programs are useless unless they are implemented. What good does it do to have the Information Mason? So we've spent a year really doing the deep dive into how people make decisions. which then overrides leads? All of the rest of the information that's out there finally allowing people to rein in I the influences that are present in our modern world that corroding their ability to make these decisions and then more importantly once. It's recognized how to fix that so that people can be satisfied can look in the mirror and realize their goals realize their weight loss. There whatever it is that there may be sort of piggyback off what you said I wanna read a passage sentence from the book. Our brains are being gravely manipulated resulting in behaviors. That leave us more lonely anxious depressed distressful illness prone and overweight than ever before. So you talked about those two aspects which is how do we help and support people to actually make these decisions and implement change change in their life to achieve to achieve whatever goal that they wanNA focus on. But let's start off with what is actually hijacking brain. That makes it difficult to do. So can you describe landscape landscape landscape and the state of threats that our brains are under today. Sure will. Let's start with one of the most important and probably most straightforward of these. It's food food. We need food. We need to eat food to keep going. But what is it that we're putting into our bodies. All a recent study showed that sixty eight percent of the foods that people eat and buy in. The store have added sugar. We know sugar isn't really a good thing for us but the question has to be. What is it doing to our thinking? What is it doing to our Raines? And this is the question that I think were now able to answer. But we haven't been looking into nearly enough. What is sugar doing to our brains? Will Sugar Fosters Inflammation inflammation which listeners know is not good for the body. Chronic inflammation has been implicated in a variety of problems. Things like heart disease. Things like Alzheimer's disease what we're understanding. Now is that inflammation this process that sugar up regulates changes are thinking. So let's let that sink in. It's not that it changes are are thinking in the long run. It changes are thinking right now. Inflammation has been shown in several recent trials to bias our decision-making towards short-term impulsive thinking thinking so to put that into context if you're eating a diet that increases inflammation you're going to make more short term oriented decisions it's like eating a diet that increases inflammation choosing the wrong foods to be eating and that transcends just diet gets into other things if you're somebody who struggles bulls with all nine shopping now. You have a diet that increases inflammation you're going to be picking the short term reward and that means your your shopping cart might be filling up all all mind with things that you don't need so again. Food is one of those entry points. It's something that has been made incredibly palatable over the years and while that means it might tastes good. We need to appreciate that. It is activating these circuits within our bodies within our brains that are making decisions more impulsive more short term oriented did and in the big picture taking us away from the decisions that will lead us to health and will lead to happiness and let me add before we move on from food and Because it is it is a very important topic because we we recognize that in a simplistic model there. There are two areas of the brain that are involved in decision making the prefrontal cortex which is the more advanced area. If I may and the more primitive if I may a Migdal Migdal and you know there's a balance between the two We tend to With inflammation unfortunately have more input from the primitive Amila Adila and as such are decisions are not really looking at the future as opposed to if we can reconnect to the prefrontal cortex and that is the area of the brain that allows us to participate in a process of thinking of the long term consequences of our actions. Today it allows us has to be more empathetic. It allows us to be more compassionate it helps to tamp down this sense of US versus them. That comes from the Amila Uggla so we're trying to reconnect to the prefrontal. CORTEX and a as per our discussion of food and inflammation inflammation absolutely absolutely threatens. That connection and I have to say that a thought came to me this morning while in the shower some of my best thoughts come to me and shower and having read the New York Times this morning they had an interesting article about what's going on in Brazil with reference to deforestation the Amazon. Not a good thing. I think most people would agree. Agree with that But that said what has happened to the thought process around the globe is influenced by the globalization of the western pro inflammatory diet that as this western diet a finds its way to every corner of the globe. It's changing aging. How people across our planet think and behave locking them more into short-term reward based decision making and away way from long term consequence based thinking and being empathetic towards their neighbour towards the future cells towards the planet? So it the our discussion just about food could take you know hours and hours of that would be actually a good thing but and so in a way you almost saying just to like break down very clearly lake doc sugar and other processed foods which he talked to most people may say. I don't really eat sugar. I'm not eating sugar but Andrew. It's in our food. It's in everything already. It's it's already in your pasta sauce and it's already in so many of the health products that you're getting even if it's pure cane sugar other stuff it's so pervasive that's their. This is encouraging the implement the factor actor of inflammation the cycle of inflammation body. And that can make you more selfish wars and said and that is that you know it's actively added down. This is not a conspiracy theory. We know that the statistics indicate that around sixty eight percent of the one point. Two million food sold in. The grocery store have added sweetener. That's you know I don't know if we ever say that's a fact somebody may say another world is flat. But it's you know if you take the foods and look at them you look at the labels that's what you see. You might not see sugar you might see a high fructose corn syrup or You know people think that will. Maybe it's okay. 'cause it's cane sugar or where it came from Organically raised honeybees or or Maple Syrup that was growing on trees that people prayed around. Or whatever. It's sugar and it is is pro inflammatory. And it is distancing your ability to make good decisions. This is part of a larger thing. That's inside of the book of the new normal. That's there can you talk to us about the new normal. The new reality that we find ourselves today. Food is one part of that but there's a greater topic that's part of that too. Yeah that's such a good point. So where are we at where we at where we're living in the United States today well seventy. Plus percent of American adults are overweight or obese sixty plus percent of American adults suffer from a chronic disease rates have anxiety around eighteen percent of American adults rates of depression are somewhere somewhere around six percent but seem."