Listen: 12-04-19 Perspective on the Osage reign of terror
"You're tuned into native America calling interrogate with from his Leto Pueblo and we are talking about what some referred to as the reign of terror on the osage reservation which chapin in the early nineteen hundreds and dozens of osage citizens were murdered by outsiders and families rights oil revenue. Were stolen if you'd like to get on the conversation give us a call. Then number is one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight before the break you heard from Jim Gray He is the great grandson soon of Henry. Roan and also the former principal chief of the osage nation. Our pleasure to have him here and chief gray. Those words that she left us with of there there will be violence How did you take that? Well you don't You don't bring someone like Martin Cortesi into a film and say okay. Take all the violence now this story and remove it. He's just not. That's not why you bring someone like him in. He's good at it you. If you've seen the Irish Man Goodfellas Casino or parted kings in New York Kiss Tomography spilled with the Hard storytelling of brutality in America and Mostly around gangs and that sort of thing but the mob and Maybe there's some elements to that period of time. That drew him to this. That's what I understood from some of the articles that I've seen where he gave an interview with him to this was the extreme eagle that existed in the osage nation at that talk and that's what fascinated him so when he spoke to the osage is saying that this is a violent story. And we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA try to do our best to capture the humanity people but we're not gonNA leave the violence out that's part of the story so To me I took it as a practical assessment of somebody. Who's who knows what he's doing? A great book opens up with a murder of a woman in in Hal heavy. This issue weighs on our native nations right now. This could be reenacted on the silver screen. What do you think about that? Well well you know with the the current attention that's being given to the of the murdered and missing indigenous swimming across Indian country throughout north. America's is is finally starting to get the conversation that deserves For those of us it's my my wife runs a domestic program usage nation. So you know I hear it. Every day Some of the tales that she tests and the work that she does with other groups to help find women that are missing in our community She'll tell you that this isn't anything new the man camps that were Bach and caused a lot of Attention towards women being trafficked and People that were working in those camps were preying on children and others up there. North Dakota the same thing was going on here. In usage nation to in demand camps that were shared with the that oil and gas activity those going on in the twenty. So this isn't anything new for us and IT'S A it's a sad unfortunate reality that comes with the natural resource development of exploitation not just our natural resources but The people that live here and and usually those that are most vulnerable. I once caught up in it in gym when I say this is personal really. Is your great grandfather. There was Henry Roan. He's also a character in the book that very well could be cast. Go ahead and tell us about your grandfather. Well Henry around was At one point He was in an arranged marriage with Mollie Burkhart who was one of the main characters in this movie as well Range marriages were common in traditional osage. They live Didn't work out for either one of them and Amalia went on and married Ernest Burkhardt and that story takes on. Its own track Henry Married and I children and so this is all kind of part of the back story and the character development of this of this movie his His death occurred on allotment lamb which those working bagel circles jurisdiction knows US know that the state and local county governments had no jurisdiction to prosecute or investigate this case. And that's what brought the federal government but the question whether or not There was going to have to be a fight over the jurisdiction before you even got and so there was a big fight and no doubt if interim is going to be a big part either in part of it the beginning where he's alive. Second Part is who killed the third part is the trial because unfortunately it was the FBI lack of jurisdiction over the other various that kept them from pursuing all the murders that were taking place when they cook who it was and so his murderer became the case. You know and so as someone who has my middle name is wrong and then my mom made me that way She didn't want me to forget. That story didn't want me to forget. I I named my son Enron grades. So it's a an Mike doesn't subtypes that awesome Terry the mineral. So it's a big deal for us You know he was a human being you know. He had a the life that was cut short. And knowing that it's part of this movie does create some anxiety. And that's why I I brought these issues to Martin Scorsese's attention as well as David grant in. Did you identify yourself as this relative. Yes well Jim I can understand even more about your thoughts and how you can be filling different feelings thanks about this and Relating thinking about that. What if you're a relative was in this narrative it's before it happens and sometimes we don't have this discussion until the movie's out after everything is out in the open Or the film is rolling in. We're getting reactions but here we are talking about this before. What are you thinking? Give us a call. One eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. Let's take a call. We're going to hear from Melvin in San Tina brassica tuned in on Casey Y. Que Melvin. Thank you for calling calling your on your good morning Lou comment on this movie. It's important and to get this history out there. There's this history of not only an osage but it happened to Kotas and many of the the tribes in the East Here happened after we were actually out here to Nebraska. It happened with the a lot after the allotment land many women were giving land here And and then white men married them and then murdered them later and that all happened here too. But I went to Oklahoma Oklahoma in the early seventies and I remember going up to osage. And you weren't even those age people said they weren't ah loud either speak Osage intertribal meetings and I could never as one way could teach people allowed to do that but does age were under heavy heavy Oil Oil companies had them in their pockets so bad that you know what what they did to the osage is there should get a bit criminal charges. Sure it is it is just amazing. that How much can go in a lot of times? I think what's even more amazing is that there are families who know all about this. They know the details this was their relative and had to live with this. It's pretty heavy stuff and and Appreciate you giving us a ring. Melvin sharing your thoughts you can share yours too at one. Eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is number and chief great. Thank you for sharing your story story with us. And I can only imagine you know how this also resonates within your own family In you know maybe they're more family members out there who know thing or two about about this project because they relate directly to it anything you want to share one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. A tumor folks are on the line with us today. Out of Norman Oklahoma we have Yancey red corn. He is the CEO of the White Buffalo co-op and his dad was the author of a pipe for February. A fictional retelling of the reign of terror on the OSAGE nation. yen-si is h our pleasure to have him here Jhansi. Welcome thank. Thank you terror Thank you for having me I am here as an osage and as an osage Descendant descendant of my great grandfather. Raymond Red Corn Senior. Who is married murdered during this time however he was murdered in nineteen thirty one and and I'd like to just say that because the murders just didn't end after the murder Bill Hale was convicted who is In if he was the person. Listen in this book The Flower Moon and You know it just when the FBI left the murders continued on and on and on through the twentieth century. The thirties probably into and so but with that much said my dad Charles read corny passed away two years ago. He wrote a book that contrast to is the plan and it was published before killers in two thousand and two titled Piper February and it was set in nineteen twenty four on the osage reservation Shen and based on factual events tissues names. And Actually David Grann read my Dad's book and visit Osage Country and my dad spent four four days with David and gave them a tour of Osaze country before grand wrote his book. And as we know you know during the time of the ran a tear you know those days were being murder the oil royalties and my dad. Who was young and the thirties forties and fifties? He listened to the stories that his father and mother and great uncle were lucky. Enough have to live through. The reign of terror told him and and my dad typically stories."