A highlight from Addressing Race in Sport with Dr. Ornella Nzindukiyimana and Rhonda C George


Coach. New brunswick and ashley millennia host. Welcome back to our second last episode of our third season. I can't believe almost to the end of it I'm very very happy today to to welcome to guests to the studio and buy studio. I mean my loft in my little house and and zoom call We have dr ornella and the dookie mono- who is an associate professor of human kinetics at saint affects who studies lacking in sports. History and also joining us is ronald se. George a researcher at your university and ex basketball student athlete working on black women's experiences in sport. So i just really wanted to say thank you for being with us today and i look forward to chatting with you guys in cute. Thanks for notts. Thanks forever cool before we get into the main bulk of our conversation. I wanted to ask you guys about how you how you got started in sport. And and what kind of lead you to pursuing a career in sport Okay i can concert i was. I've always liked. It was always something that i've ever known as close brought me troy and This funny dynamic Family where i was the tomboy young. I mean we're all the girls. My siblings are only girls. But i was the one who broke the mall. In suppo- sport was the thing being younger one to kind of youngest not to to the market myself possibly is there but beyond that us self psychology there. I i've always been drawn to play as much as Possibly play a during High school jus- mostly organized a soccer through the wool. On not much else in terms of organic organized. Or just because you know being able to afford it but After suited into a university with the genus geology degree human kinetics degree at our ottawa. You and i do really go into it. Because of the score to i think initially was was definitely more from mets full thing and this was a good Agree to have this as ground but then it became the about. Oh my gosh this whole field this whole study of the human movement and then somehow ended up on the history side of things entrench. We just dig out these stories that have not been much studied in canada. Black tropical inch or two specially through the twentieth century. and so. yeah it's it's a long journey of Fascinated by what we call sports in playing it in watching it and just watching to being serious and wanting to find out war belt about it and why it is the phenomenon that That that it is i. I can really relate to that especially on the Understanding like what sport means to people and and like why. I cry when i watched the olympics. And and like why why. These organized organiz informal kind of games can can really lead us to a lot of human development and lot of self development. I think that's probably the coolest thing. I've i've seen come out of my coaching career. Before i get on around with that rhonda tell me about your. Tell me what your background and where you're at now okay November i was an athlete In my family everybody plays some fun sport. Most of soccer or rummy But i always loved basketball. I played as often as i could on the team that i could through our high school. I'm club teams And then my playing and college in ontario and then. I transferred to university in at that time on his planning on going to medical school in so i was like i've got to focus on sports sign at sport on a migrates. Everything again into that school until i had informally or reluctantly swore at that time and was just studying studying studying when i got to my phd. I was read what i wanted to look at. And during that retirement process astor when i started undergrad. I all of my peers. Who had gone onto the states to play my favorite interested in the diverse stories that i saw Some were very successful others. Were not you know some. Had you know gone pro and and donald kinds of things but their stores were so diverse and as i was starting my d and researching. I realize there's very little about the narratives comedian. Women who pursue these scholarships in the us and go on to play abroad. And so i really wanted to really look at their athletic. Experience is there Social experiences their academic experiences and really captured those stories but in a i guess a nuanced way because much of what was out. They was so focused on meals. And even within the canadian context find just the narratives of blacks navigates period aren't really captured. That well or as well as they are in less and so i really wanted to address that capital research. That's great. I think that's really interesting that both of you started your journey through this going towards med school and then got veered off by by sport. I think that's kind of cool. It's almost like When you said the study of human movement my brain went to and now we're talking we're going to be talking about social movements so i think they're obviously very interconnected but i'm not sure that everybody always makes that first connection with why activism occurs in sport and why it is often a place that that a lot of movement start from before before that. Let's start talking. Maybe set up a bit of context around some of the history of of supporting canada and underrepresented groups underrepresented voices. Maybe pass it off to you to start to talk a little bit about some of the work you're doing and some of the Studies that you've done around around this right so yeah we could definitely spend awhile time on basically. Don't get me going. But the is I mean sports not start as this neutral thing. That was open to everybody. morgan As were talk with which is what we're talking about right now. Not necessarily all the physical culture practices that you could find in all kinds of civilizations in groups in the in societies from time since time immemorial way. But i'm just more than sports as stating that kind of starts in the late nineteenth century with The british and the europeans sour- western europeans. And this this is organized fiscal. Call her an activity practice that we see today in that recall sports today did not start off as the democratic open space. It was a space. There was open for armed men. occur middle upper classmen White men Any was a space that the basically arm designed to

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