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"In the studio with c tan Lee, he is the author of a book miracles in the forgotten land and beyond it is. So extraordinary, and it's so difficult to believe satana. This is something that didn't happen. You know, you hear stories maybe from very old people of what they went through during World War Two or something. But to think that, you know, you're a little bit older than me barely and you experienced this in your lifetime a work camp where they're working you to death. Basically, I mean, twenty hours a day. With with starvation rations. Why do you think they were doing that? In other words, it common sense would say if they want you to do a lot of work. They would not work twenty hours a day on starvation rations, what was going on. I think is in mind. I'm not sure what what does in their mind. But what I personal thing that they tried to kind of testing whether you really patient war. Really a CD dweller educated class because they tried to find out. There's a lot of people didn't show up when they come in nineteen seventy five they asked everyone who's through with professional to to dress up on the respected uniform, and so on and show up in school of places their work and not everybody going to show up. They don't trust them. So those who will show up as the one being killed right away. So the rest of us is kind of hiding background including myself, and I I've been telling them, I was the patient knows you're saying you're peasant. What what were you what was your family? My family was always leaving the city and my dad was doing import export business. So we we was actually the kind of people that they don't want that they would have killed you. If they knew who you were you're undercover as a peasant, right? What happened to the rest of your family all separated and actually half of them as being killed as a matter of fact, and. And but those who survive has basically live in a different camp. Right. You came and children can depend on their age and status. So we all separate. I never seen any of my siblings. We have more than ten sibling in my family. And I have not seen any during those time until we escaped to Thailand in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine we was reunited, those who said life did your parents five my parents alive as a matter of fact, it's miracle because actually my dad was like a handyman. They testing him testing his ability because he's also hitting his background is he's so they force him to do plowing. They force him to do. How was things building the house whatever they want him to do. He know how to do it. So then they believe him. So then that's how he's alive and for me. I just have to learn very quickly. How to do those kind of? Thing. And of course, the thank God. They never asked me to build anything. I won't know how to build it. But to highways thing the rise and to plow and to plan, and all of those kind of thing, I learned for okay now, maybe it goes without saying, but let's say it any way that you while you were living in the situation. It was very very brutal conditions. I'm imagining that the brutality of your captors. Was was was truly horrible. It was very horrible. As a matter of fact, I've witnessed the torture killing every day in my concentration camp just to let you know, Eric when we started and seventy five one thousand in my youth camp one thousand young men and young woman like me at that time, and then by nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine before escape is only eighty seven five one particular camp. And I'm one of the eighty seven is a matter of fact, the majority of those who survive I go boy just all gone because it's overwork and man for some reason cannot tolerate less food. I mean, we just don't Sawai but women can do better than us. So you survived, and you you talk about you experience, many, genuine miracles. Yes. I wanna have a wanna be clear that this is a real story is a long interesting story. And I want to get to all the parts of it. But so let's just stay here where we are. Now your in this camp, you're surviving day by day. Just the fact that you survived one of eighty seven out of a thousand, and you said that most of the men died were over work to death starve to death tortured. I mean, it's so hard for us in the United States in the west to to imagine that people have been through these kinds of things what was going through your mind at this time were you thinking about God. Will you thinking about what is the meaning of life? I mean, did you have time to think about those things? Yes. I did. As a matter of fact, I know we was my family was devoted Buddhists. And we was totally give on Tyler to Buddhism. And as a matter of fact, my. Grandparent was the leader of the Buddhist temple at the time. And and just be honest, my because my dad's background he was having a little mean to even make an idol our twenty four carat gold, Buddhist statues back to family is I'll go out and the statue. You said was your God. Yes. It was. I got because at that time. And we actually I go a little detail is that every morning before we left to go to school as a child. My parents will. Of course, our culture, we will greet our Param mom and dad we are going to school so on and so on apparently also teaching us direct us to also go to image, the two to us as got the image of Buddha. And then we just said, okay, God we are going to school. Please bless us from the day stuff like that. Yeah. Anyway, in our mind, that's got. But then in nineteen seventy five when Paul pod coming in to soldier coming in. They used that same image that I'm talking about that really pressure to family. They broke it in pieces and hit my grandma and grandpa Ryan by my own I to debt, so they die on the first day of the killing the you witnessed your grandmother and grandfather being murdered. In front of you. Yes. Inducing the image using the image of Buddha? Right. The one that we consider our God and personal guard to our family. So obviously that the communists were not. They're not just anti-christian their anti anything to do with any religion or anything. So they see Buddhism as the enemy, right? Any religion? This any religion as the enemy. They have their own religion. Right. So anyway, that's just to say that's the beginning of the killing fields on April seventeen thousand nine hundred seventy five and then if I leaving you'd came in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven this is two years into the killing field and like the population of my youth Cam reduced to about five or six hundred thousand already reduced me. They've been murder and kill work to debt. And then by the time, they found my student identification. I already went to medical school at that time. No. Because I graduate from high school whenever thirteen so sixteen I'm already in the medical school. So they've found my ide- identified that I was a student. So therefore, I was subject to be executed so nine hundred seventy seven when I was about to be executed along with four other high school kid, and I was the last in line blindfold and took it out, and they basically murder us by using a bamboo rotten hit on next and all for the blood with all over me. And then it dont moment of time I cry out to God. And I say Lord of the universe. Whoever you are please spare my life, and I promised to be your witness. And thank God. He was there for me. And he saved my life and. And the question that a lot of people ask me, why don't you cry out to Buddha? I say, no he's dead and seventy five because the one that we worship he's there. When you when you saw that happened in seventy-five Buddhism was dead for you. And this God was dead. Right. Well, you talk about being slated to be murdered to be executed. And you said how many were there four or five young young men five at me, therefore other? Okay. And so it's a lesson. You were the last in line. And if you don't mind my asking, how were they killed and not understanding they use the bamboo rod in the hit on the next. And. You say until you die so more than once. Oh, yeah. They hit a couple of time. Of course, when you hit right here and Bemba rod is pretty big. So they just sell. It's like being clubbed in the neck. And this is so brutal. I mean, I just want people to be clear on how brutal. This is. Right. So you are the fifth. Yes. And you're praying to the unknown God of creation that you've never heard about. But you somehow saying if he's there save me. Well, this is the first miracle when we come back. I want to hear about the details of this. And I want to talk to my audience about the other miracles. You've experiences such a magnificent story. I'm so thrilled to have you here. Thank you. And we're going to be right back, folks. It's the Eric Metaxas show. It's not. Planted on their columns now find me. These are something that. News. I'm Bob Agnew in Washington. President."