"KCRW sponsors include Netflix, presenting the original series, when they see us from Asia Duve Rene based on the true story of five teens who are falsely accused of a brutal attack in central park. Emmy eligible in all categories. I'm Kim masters. And this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Matt felony of the Hollywood reporter, and Matt EMMY voting is open. And, you know, there's always a lot of second guessing and campaigning, and it's all good this year. However, we're seeing the end of game of thrones. And that is a, a huge potential category killer in the best drama category. And for that reason we have seen other series that do might have been competitive kind of stay out of the way the eligibility for the Emmys ends at the end of may. So you often will see a lot of shows premiering in may just so that they can get into that window to be eligible this year. We saw the opposite in that best drama series category. The Handmaid's tale is premiering in June and stranger things. Netflix is premiering in July. And those were two shows that typically would be in the EMMY race Handmaid's tale, obviously was the first streaming series to ever win. In the drama series. Emmy category this year. They're both steering clear of game of thrones. Because the expectation is that game of thrones is just going to run the category and win and went out. I mean it would be the you know job well done award. However, you know, I I'm going to confess that I not a person who watched game of thrones. But I do watch my Twitter feed and mandate. I see blowback about the way that series ended. Yeah, I think there was a lot of negativity. And I think people were surprised by who ended up on that iron throne, but I don't think ultimately voters will care about the negativity. I think that this is a game changing mammoth moment in television. People say, we will never see a show again. Like EMA thrones. I, I don't know if that's true, but voters are going to without in my opinion voters are going to go for the show and, and give it the, the this year, I wonder if it had been vulnerable. Maybe the strategy was bad. You go ahead and compete against it, but who could afford? Seen that potential vulnerability. Meanwhile, you know there's the limited series category. That is very competitive when we see HBO rolling out Chernobyl net flicks, rolling out the central park, five drama series from ABC Vernay, when they see us, and they are coming up with kind of, you know, interesting claims to bolster the profile of how popular how highly rated, you know, the metrics may not stand up to too much scrutiny. But this is the game that is played. I'm always very skeptical of anything that Netflix says because they do not have any third party verification for their ratings claims but they claim that when they see us is the most popular show on net flicks every day since it debuted in the US, which would be pretty significant, considering that they have, you know, things like friends, and the office that are perpetual popular, and then HBO came out with this dubious thing that turnober was the highest rated show on HBO in its history. And they were using some IMDB ranking that purported to assess fans and critics. And I think people just kinda laughed at that big little lies. Maybe you know, I would say for sure that both of them are really well reviewed and very high impact, especially in the case of when they see us we'd seen Linda fairstein him roundly, the sex crimes in New York being hounded out of her foundation and. And other gigs. Now, the one of the prosecutors the this is have think people are finally seeing that what happened in that case through. I mean it's been the subject of documentaries. It's not news. But David Verna through the dramatization has really shown the kind of impact that entertainment can have in the real world. Yeah. And it really shows this category of limited series, and how much it's grown over the past few years. Remember, this is a category that the academy basically did away with combined it with made for TV movies, because there weren't as much of these being made as there used to be. Now there are so many limited series that this category is absolutely packed. If you look at just the Fossey Verron program on FX that got a lot of critical attention Showtime, made a lot of noise with escape Denham Maura HBO has turnober as you mentioned in sharp objects had Amy Adams and then true detective which is in this category, and is somewhat diminished from its heyday. But that, you know, had an amazing performance by. Marshall Ali in that. And that doesn't even include the George Clooney thing catch twenty two which got a lot of attention. So there's a ton of amazing limited series that are competing against each other. Yeah, I would say outstanding performance by Maharshtra Elliot's redundant at this point. Thank you, Matt, thank you. That's Matt Bellamy editorial director of the Hollywood reporter he joins me this Monday at one thirty on the business. I'm Kim masters. And this is the Hollywood breakdown KCRW sponsors include Showtime, presenting the comedy series kidding starring Jim Carey in what Rolling Stone says is the part, he was born to play more at S H, O dot com slash f y c."