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These ten schools across the US have ruled out a system that tracks and potentially survey students using the signals from their phones. Albert. How does this work all right so you ever been to a mall and and you know they? All's no no okay so you've never been no more so there are things called radio frequency scanners that pick up signals on your phones that are things like your Bluetooth Signal. Your WIFI signal Some in some cases like your cell frequency signal and it uses that as a location tracker instead right so so the idea that these phones are constantly paying the network for connection it's at Ping they're tracking using to locate you. So they're going to do that. And say like okay. There's a phone here. There's a phone here or not. Must these phones have some somehow gained sentence and are walking on their own? They're most likely attached with the person so they're using that to Tr they use that to track people in malls to say like Oh. There's this many people at this store today You know we know. Like how traffic does that's kind of. What like marketers. Use that shirt right. They also use US imprisons to basically detect any kind of contraband. Because you know. Inmates aren't allowed to have cell phones or anything like that right so they are now bringing this into schools where they're using that to track students throughout the day And it's not just their phones right like if it has any kind of signal so like your kid has like a new pair of air pods or anything like that. That's being tracked and you know. Obviously there are some kids that are too young to have phones right. Those company in fiction decides. Hey we are going to introduce a respond trackers for them where basically kind of works like a fitbit where they use that to also track like their staffs and their calorie counts and their heartbeat which This is pitched as something to you know. Be a school safety thing I think. That's why law schools might be inclined to look at this right the idea that the promise here that it's supposed to be a safety issue it's supposed to prevent school shootings but we talked about this. You've talked about this before. Like that's not necessarily the case right. No absolutely not. I mean so the way that it's supposed to work as a school safety tools to say you know they have kids like phone registered already so if a new device comes on campus and is like. Hey we don't know who's phone is what's going on here. They sent a security guard to go. Check it out The problem with an idea like that is you know kids got new devices all the time. And it's not like what are they gonNa do headphones that are not registered. Then then it becomes like sending a security guard every day for something like that also. I mean for a lot of school shootings. They're often they're done by students. Who would be registered and actually be flagged? Yeah exactly so I mean that's the problem. A lot of the technology Being proposed a school shooting prevention. Where there's absolutely no proof that this technology works. But I've obviously said Oh I get that it's a very specious argument preventing school shootings but In terms of preventing I guess unwanted people strangers like adults to mean to do Har- like this is some would actually trigger like the would alert security that like these I mean. Yeah but why would you okay? So try convincing a school board to spend one point four million dollars on something like this to prevent just a guy that you don't want on campus like an annoying person or or try convince Sam saying you can use one point. Four million dollars to stop shooting stopped shootings. They use that logic a lot because like fear is what sells so I mean. That's a really good point. Our schools really doing this. Are they using the school shooting? As as the the impetus to actually get the money and the but the rarely actually use it to track. I don't see schools making this pitch that much so much as I see these companies making this pitch to get schools to spend money on them and I think the onus is really on them right to prove that this technology works because like ultimately schools are spending this money. And and you know I don't know how well funded. The school districts are in your area but across the country really is like there kind of starved for resources and you could be using that money to pay teachers more. You could be using that money to pay for more guidance counselors or after school programs that would you know actually help out the kids at rather than the security systems that you know might be helpful one day but like the rest of the time is there is fascinating debate because I look I'm not. I have two kids. I'm not averse to Putting trackers on my kids frankly which I know you think is is You know a privacy issue but the key difference here between what this is. What I'm thinking about is like this'll be a tracker that I would put on that. I would have control over right. That would be. You can sell that data on your kids exactly exactly Google wanted. I'll give me enough money. I'll do it but the fact that it's a school doing it and it's only limited. The school is it's an opt out programme. You have to tell them. Please don't track my kids. Also parents who opt out doesn't make the system kind of the relevant While not only that. But it's also like even if you opt out you're still being tracked in away right like if if I'm not in school one day because I opted out of being in class and they have the tendency and they say oh. Alfred wasn't here. I mean like they have that data still omission of data is still like data that's collected. That is their point But yeah it's IT'S A it's a fascinating thing because I think there is a line like parents you know from our perspective. It's we are definitely willing to bend privacy rules. Yeah comes to keep our kids safe right. That's all priorities so but how it's done is the execution is really the key and like. I don't know like I said I mean like the school handle. It is the best thing I think. A lot of it comes down to like a heat of the moment kind of thing where it's like if there's a fire in the building like you wouldn't care about like privacy issues like I. The question is like how often is a building on fire and like. Would you want to have your privacy? Invaded the rest of the time. So that it would save you in that situation. It's an interesting to bake with school shootings in the frequency of school shootings and we can take off the table. The fact that maybe this thing doesn't even isn't but in terms of the argument like if you made the argument that this prevents one school shooting. I think for most parents that would be enough. I mean obviously once that's harder than yeah and I think that's why the argument is so compelling even though it may not be as effective as these companies claim. I mean. Yeah that's the idea right. They say you know you're trading off your privacy for safety but if you're not actually getting the safety that they're promising are you actually creating anything off right