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Older listeners may recall a time when October fifteenth was last ditch do-or-die deadline by which agreement between the UK and the EU had to be reached else the UK would sail full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes towards a no deal brexit on December thirty first that deadline yesterday and almost as if the UK government is desperately bluffing negotiations appear to be very much ongoing after a you leaders conclude a meeting in Brussels UK Prime Minister. Boris. Johnson will speak on this subject later today one join with more on this by Stephanie, Boston UK and Ireland correspondent for developed. Stephanie How Does the EU take the UK's deadlines at this point the. Statement suggested that it's now up to the UK to quote. Mike necessary moves. I think the the European Union never took that deadline series at all I. Mean after all as you just set a new introduction. To have been so many deadlines I admit I'm also old I forget. deadlines that Boris Johnson has been giving thirty to thirty. First, of January, thirty first of December now, it's the fifteenth Tober. Never took it seriously because if you talk to the people who really understand the? Material Challenges in drafting legal texts they were saying First of all, there were two big gaps in really crucial issues and the second is even if you then can fill gaps politically, you have to then do the precision work of legal wording and that can't be done. In the Metro for night and so there was always an expectation that this European Council will come and go, and then they will sit down again and by early November conclude hopefully. So what are those gaps as things stand such sticking points as there are what other? where the main thing is state aid or what would with the would of other term state aid is meant which is well the Europeans rather call it playing seal that is something that has been written into the mandate from the very beginning back in twenty seventeen. And that means that because the United Kingdom is not a member of the European Union anymore. But is so close. It's a neighbor and should have free access to the European market. The British government needs to follow also the rules of competition. So for example, state eight, I remember in the summer I was in Berlin and someone in the German government made the point to me that. What the Europeans cannot accept for example, the British government giving millions and millions to Japanese carmaker. Attracts them to come to say Sunderland Create fifteen thousand jobs not fulfill the standards that the European Union expects for this kind of production and then be able to. Export freely into the European market. So basically dumping wages dumping competition that's something that is not not on the cards. For the Europeans, we would be deeply cynical view for the EU to take but then this is politics. Do they feel like the pandemic and the associated economic damage caused by might actually have strengthened the E. US hand in these negotiations, which is to say the UK will be much much less keen to risk the further disruption and expense no deal brexit. Yeah I think I mean you might say that's a bit cynical but of course, they looking at the situation in their own countries and of course, at the situation, the economic situation in the United Kingdom, which is very, very dire expected to be many many job losses in the months to come already we had. An economic downturn of almost twenty percents of GDP, of course. If there wasn't the pandemic, it would be easier for Boris. Johnson to walk away also had in mind when he won the election year ago December twenty nineteen, he campaigned on the platform saying I have a deal. So people believed him and he they voted him because he had an oven ready deal now, not even twelve months later he comes back and says, oh, by the way, I don't have a deal and that means that will be tariffs that will be used on the border. They will be higher prices they will be again problems to have everything in the supermarkets to the towards the end of the year early twenty twenty one. So that doesn't really go down well with his new voters in the north who were expected to not only brexit but sunlit landscapes. I mean from your point of view covering all this for a a German readership how hard is it to keep them interested in this especially given the the pandemic, which is much greater priority for all countries to do you get the sense that not necessarily European leaders but European public still paying any attention to this at all. They do a little bit of attention but to be honest yes, I mean in Germany because of rising number SOC new infections and new rules coming in and quite a lot of tensions now between Democrats and the the region's a difficult to to get attention I'm I think there is also an image problem for the United Kingdom now because all the news that are coming out whether it's with German TV radio or even pay person. Is Rather say not very complimentary of the British government in how they manage covet in how they manage. Brexit. But I must say when I read David tweet class. WHO's the chief negotiator for Britain and he said he was very disappointed and then set the prime minister said something on September nine, which was if there's nothing we can work with on October fifteen we will walk away. I think is a slight chance. He might walk away because they have been reckless if you remember the internal market bill with which they brought. Have Broken International Law I. Think There's a certain recklessness in this government so I don't completely exclude that in two or three hours whenever he announces stays, he might walk away. So on that from, there's been a lot of talk in British press. This week of those aerial photographs of sections of Kent being turned into a lorry parked does it strike you that perhaps those are actual serious preparations rather than more theatrical bluffing. No of course, these are serious preparations you have to be prepared and not only even in the case of a deal. If there is if there's no deal will be catastrophic even if it's the deal, still the fact is the United Kingdom has left the European single market, and therefore they have to be checks on the border whether it's from Franz coming into job. I think it's around ten thousand lorries a day in maximum times that have to cross go back and forth in this tiny little place pulled off Dover. And therefore you have to expect massive queues and they they already started with these preparations I remember like almost two summers ago when you drove down to what Folkston, you would see these additional catch that we're building. Now they're building the parking spaces. So obviously we have to expect. Destruction and maybe severe disruption Stephanie. Balls and. He's joining us.