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"Samir tweets out, Ethan Bearman. President George Hw Bush is going to his final place of rest. You know, we talk about and I mentioned this. I'm like, yeah. He's the last president that I remember there were things said about him. But we didn't seem like people just outright hated him. And it seems like ever since then there's been in my lifetime. A lot of hatred filled. Wegmann has a great piece in the Washington Examiner revisiting in civility and he's joining me on the phone right now. Phillip thanks for coming on the show today. Hey, anytime. Yeah. It's good to talk to you. So it's interesting you go through the Italian tell me a little bit about this President Trump. And and first lady Trump Malania also sat next all these former presidents and people made a lot about it during President, George H W Bush's funeral and walk me through the some of the incivility that people brought up or in your column because I thought it was an actually I got a good Chuck chocolate of it too. So I appreciate it. Thanks. So we the scene is that when you've got Trump and the first lady they walked to the front of the sanctuary, and he sit down next to you that Clinton's the Obamas and the Carters and everyone on Twitter all of a sudden decided to dig up some of the statements that Trump had made about each of them. You know, Obama he said wasn't legitimate president Carter he said was one of the worst presidents ever be in the Oval Office, Hillary Clinton, he said deserve to be in jail. And I think that a lot of people look at those statements, and then they sort of interpreted these sort of ashen grief-stricken expressions. They were on the faces of that presidents club as to make a statement about just how in civil and awful things have become and I think that that is I think that's a wrong interpretation here. Clearly, there's incivility among these presidents. But I think that anyone who wants to argue the incivility started with Trump is completely missing the Mark. And that's a problem because if you blame a Trump for the incivility, and you don't see him rather as a product of the sort of coarsening American politics that we've had for the last couple of decades, and you're not going to solve the problem when he eventually leaves the White House. Yeah. I think that's a really important point Philip Wegmann is joining me on the phone from the Washington Examiner. I see it the exact same way. I think he's a symptom as opposed to the cause right? I mean, we we've seen this building for you. Years this level of and that's why I keep talking about with president. I my first presidential election. I voted in was in ninety two and I didn't hate George H W Bush. I just thought that Bill Clinton was a better choice. I mean, it really honestly, I didn't hate him. And then it just kept getting worse from there. So this is this is something that's been building up. But you have some I hope you can give me a couple of these historic history. I'm trying to say historical and hysterical all at the same time. So they're hysterical. Historical examples of what previous presidents have said. Because it's really not unique at all. What's going on right now? Yeah. And it's not unique in recent history. And then it's also not unique and more distant history. If you look at Obama and Clinton in two thousand and eight presidential primary he said of Hillary Clinton that she would say anything to get elected. She said of Obama, he was basically an empty suit full of all sorts of high sign high-sounding rhetoric, but wasn't able to get anything done. That's that's decently nasty. But if you if you will back even further though, I mean, if you look at what happened in the nineteen seventies for crying out loud. You Lyndon B Johnson saying Gerald Ford. Remember, Gerald Ford was a linebacker at the university of Michigan during his collegiate career, and you have LBJ sane of Gerald Ford p play too much football his helmet off. I mean that's tree in civil. And then you if you go back even farther, I mean, one of my favorites is you've got Andrew Jackson saying that he only has two regrets that he didn't shoot. Henry clay, many didn't hang John. C? Calhoun, remember, John Calvin was his vice president. So you know, we kind of laugh at those sticks and stones now. But for us to pretend that what is happening with Trump into unique is completely wrong. Obviously, he's more direct. I don't think he's clever, but this sort of incivility is nothing new politicians are self interested people, and occasionally they can be nasty. The real problem begins when it's not just politicians who are throwing these barbs at each other. But when you have neighbors who won't even talk to each other because of their political disagreements, oh, boy, I mean, and that's the truth. Philip Weltman is joining me on the phone from the Washington Examiner right now. And that's the part that that concerns me is that we have hit a fever pitch of an inability to communicate with one another. Now, maybe we always harbored some of these things. And maybe it's better that some of it is out in the open. So we can talk about it. But the fact that we aren't even able to have the conversation is what bothers me, you know, I get I get pilloried by some people for going on Fox News FOX business because I'm left of center, right? And they're like how can you do that? And I'm always like, no because we have to have the conversation. How else do we communicate with one another present different arguments? Have the argument understand our own arguments better if we can't even talk about it, it just it. It scares me when I hear that. Absolutely. We're at this moment. Now, where there are so many different options, and that sort of multitude of options when it comes to where you get your news is a good thing because even get multiple perspectives. The flip side of that coin as you can also go to the perspective that you believe and get your news from a single source that is that that can be incredibly damaging if you're looking not necessarily to learn something new, but rather to have your own bias confirmed. And so, yeah, it's important to talk to the other side. Yeah, I think it is. So you know, when when you look at this in in your experience in writing we we did have periods though, where it's kind of waxes and wanes at apps it flows. Whatever colloquial colloquialism we wanna use. But the point is, you know, while Reagan there was heated opposition to him to he worked with tip O'Neill in Bill Clinton while while the Republicans impeach him. He figured out how to get some stuff done with Newt Gingrich. So there were to get things done. Do you have any optimism with? Nancy Pelosi coming in who will be speaker of the house cutting some deals with President Trump will not too long ago. He's talking to, you know, senior member of House Republicans, and and they made the nation. And when it comes to Democrats Nancy Pelosi has to make a decision chicken, either make this a legislative congress or she can make this an investigative congress. My thought is that with all of the house oversight committee is gearing up to dig into Trump's tax returns to dig into some of his business dealings. They were going to have more of an investigative congress. But she your point Earlier Clinton was able to work with Gingrich and ninety six and Reagan was able to work with tip O'Neill. I think that there's going to be competing incentives on both sides. Democrats clearly have you know, some of their own priorities that they would like to get into law. Perhaps and infrastructure package. But the flip side of that is that there's going to come that comes with us are certain risks. Which is that they could sort of Trump's stock as a dealmaker. My thought though is if you look at in in ninety six when Gingrich comes in he sort of has to moderate his town to work with Republicans in the house, and that moderation. I think that that sets the stage for his reelection. He would be surprising. But it would not be impossible for Trump to sort of do the same thing maybe work on the margins where he can to actually get some get some much across the finish line. I mean as an American citizen, I I hope that they can find some areas of compromise. Like an infrastructure Bill is something that we absolutely desperately need in this country as is evidenced on a daily basis with infrastructure failures that we have. So I hope they figure that out Phillip Wegmann Washington Examiner. Philip is always great to have you on. Thanks for your time. Appreciate it. Yeah. For sure have a going. Yeah. You too. Thank you fill up and coming up in just a moment. We've got to get into this. We've got to get into this south Lake Tahoe, no vacation rentals. Nothing if it's less than a thirty day rental, and we're gonna get into some of the details of it. Because there are some details in it. But none of that. Are we ready to go that route."