Navy JAG turned Author with David Grogan

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Awesome I really like how you. You explained some of the process of all the typical mistakes. Most authors you know brand new authors make. If from time to time, I do have veteran book authors on the show, not so much. To teach you to read a book, but. Writing a book in putting altogether in marketing it and getting an agent, it's a very entrepreneurial process, so it's similar to a lot of other business types so. Over the over the years you've, you've touched on this a little bit already over the years you've you have learned a lot about writing books in it's. It's not just about whether you can. Put thought to paper it's. You mentioned after your friends. Your Buddies Mom Review for twenty five pages. You didn't change the story, but you went back and. Changed how to write at her from a different angle, or you have to really in order to write a book that's going to be popular successful. It kind of has to be written from a certain perspective or with a certain purpose If you just throwing random thoughts down, obviously, it's not gonNa work, but you thought you were right in a good book. But when you tweaked it with the advisement of people that really no good. Then then your books became so much better. Talk a little bit about. Over the over the years and all the number of books you've written. I'm sure you've gotten better at it. You know how transformed from when you the very first book. He wrote to where you're at now. Sure and it's been really a substantial change If you when you read the Siegel dispositions and it's a, it's a good book. I will say one of the things that my inish and publisher is. Is Camel press a relatively small press located in Seattle Washington they put out a very high quality, great looking paperback book, but the market is relatively small After about a year, my books come out via Harlequin, which is one of the big worldwide Publishers Harlequin? You may know them as the romance novel people, but they have an an imprint where they put out thrillers, and so my book comes out the Harlequins thriller imprint to the mass market. So there's IT comes out a little smaller. More like the paperbacks that you'd see in the airport and that's where they're sell. Thousands of copies what I noticed was that I work with the editors very closely at camel. Press and I I really try to listen to what they say. And I also listen to reader feedback, I really encourage my readers to give me a feedback but the editors at camel press. Helped me, go from. I would say more of a someone who was writing legal briefs that was the very factual, maybe bit not boring isn't the right word, but but but bland to to becoming more of a storyteller, and when you go from the first book the Siegel Dispositions to the Second Book Sapphire Pavilion, which takes place in Vietnam and that one was released in two thousand seventeen. It's an extraordinary difference between those two. and in fact that that one I'm sure most readers are most of your listeners are familiar with military times either Air Force Navy Army Marine Corps. Times Coastguard Times. So Sapphire Pavilion was actually back in two thousand seventeen when it came out, it was their number three fiction read for the fall cool, and it was just a leaps and bounds. I think now some people still like the first book better because it's got the buildup in the background to some of the characters, but the excitement really picked up. Moving into Safire pavilion and the editing also the amount of editing decreased when I moved to my third book the one that's getting ready to come out the hidden key here shortly. there was very very very little. Editing at at the and let me say for those that write books. There's there are. There's two levels of editing. There's a concept editor who comes in and looks at the book I, and says Hey, here's here's where you've got some holes in your in your logic in your story flow, fix these holes there inconsistent or something doesn't work quite here, so they thick. You fix the concept from end to end and that's really the most valuable edit for the hidden key There we went through the concept edit, and then moved on to the second, and after I fixed those things you move on to the second editor nets called the line at. Where another editor goes through line by line word for word, and and can propose changes They were almost no line at its in the hidden key So because I've I've really tried to learn From the editors each time and try to incorporate what they tell me and again the feedback from the from the readers in terms of the things that they like. It's reduced my editing time down. Dramatically I still spend a lot of time editing before I ever send it. I never said anything to the publisher unless I'm perfectly satisfied with it. but I've noticed a significant difference over time just by following and paying attention to what the editors telling me. Yeah! That's awesome well. Hey, we're GONNA

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