Listen: Testimony released from Trump's former Russia adviser
"News just released transcripts from the house impeachment inquiry revealing even more officials testifying under oath that they had a great great concerns about president. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani's work in Ukraine Fiona Hell of former Russia advisor to president trump. Testifying quote I was extremely family concerned. That whatever was that Mr Giuliani was doing might not be legal. Especially after you know people had raised with me these two gentlemen Parnis and and Fruman Ella E. Fruman of course to Giuliani associates. Who are arrested recently while trying to flee the United States and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council saying this about the July phone call or president? Trump urged Ukraine's president to help Giuliani. Dig Up dirt on the bites. Let's frankly up until that call you know. In certain regards. He was acting as a private citizen advancing his own interest to a certain extent. It wasn't until that call all that it became that that it became that he was pulled into kind of an official role all right. Let's discuss all of this out front. Now Greg Brower who was an assistant the FBI director Kerry Cordeiro who was the council to the US Assistant Attorney General for national security also with US tonight former Nixon White House counsel John Dean and former Republican congressman. Charlie Dent it has been a very busy news day going through these transcripts from two top White House officials. Carry to start with you witnessed ernest after witnesses testify and they had these concerns about. Giuliani what do you make of this of all. These officials testified that they knew what Giuliani was up to. They had these concerns. They did because we had there was an individual Rudy Giuliani who was not in government. who was doing things that from their perspective? At the as as far as State Department officials are White House officials working on national security related to Ukraine that he was stepping into interfering with what they were trying to carry out as legitimate foreign policy so on one hand you have a person not in government at all who is interfering in national security interests but then the second thing that but it also tells me is that there were a lot of people in the White House who knew what was going on. And it took the whistle blower to actually report it through an official channel Hannele and start that we part of this. I mean you have about it. He'll testifying a lot of people. Knew about what was going on. But you're right. It was the whistle blower who went through those channels. But what's interesting too is just the view of these officials Juliani. You know they're trying to do their official Government Work Greg. Then you have someone going rogue Outsides doing their own thing. I mean it kind of painted this picture of pure chaos when it came to Ukraine Policy Fiona Hill testified that John Bolton Liken Giuliani to a hand grenade alive handgrenade Do you think that's proven to be true. In all of this as you learn more and more Giuliani's role becomes more apparent and and not surprisingly so and and there was also the description of John Bolton oath you know Rudy's drug deal as if to dismiss this. Yeah exactly we have more understand the context around Right that's right and it would be hard enough frankly to have the national security and diplomatic Bureaucracy dealing with some kind of rogue operation if that rogue operation was parallel but legal. But in this case it appears that perhaps it wasn't even a legal rogue operation that not only complicates it's things for the govern- officials who are supposed to be pursuing national security and diplomatic relations but it it creates a whole Potentially impeachable the situation. And that's how it's playing out. It is how it's playing out John because this is all part of this. The Democrats impeachment inquiry. I WANNA bring up. What lieutenant colonel them and testified to who about acting chief of staff and they won't be head Mick? Mulvaney Vin was asked. Do you understand how he saw. Inland came to believe that this deliverable was necessary. This area and then men responded so I heard him say that this had been coordinated with White House Chief of Staff Mr Mick Mulvaney question. What did he say about that answer? He just Said said that he had had a conversation with Mr Mulvaney. And this is what was required in order to get a meeting. How significant is it to you that he testified that the president's acting chief of staff directed this quid pro quo essentially certainly gets closer to the president and and You know whether whether they'll claim that the president had no lodge we don't know yet Feel a hill gave the same testimony. Which cooperates spend Edmund? So it's a pretty strong charge and it certainly puts Mulvaney in the loop No question about that and Pamela. I'd I would just point out at this whole thing is just one giant conspiracy to extort a bribe. And it's very conspicuous. It's just no question and now how deep the president is. That's what the House is going to establish and so do you think this is an impeachable offense then because as we know bribery. According to the constitution is impeachable impeachable. Act John They have managed in this in this instance to come right within the definition of impeachable offenses. Because you the high crimes but how. But if if no one has made that directly to the president then then how do you make that case that he should be impeached impeached. Well you know it's interesting with Nixon When he was impeached they stayed away from conspiracy? Charges There is a reference in in in the minority report of all places that he conspired but the majority the Democrats with Nixon did not charge him with a conspiracy. All of that was very conspicuous. Louis in the in the evidence I so I don't think by precedent. They'll try to draw trump in through conspiratorial actions. They'll look for him being directly involved or enough. They'll look for testimony and we're they're gonNA find that is in the Document the the readout on"