"Of looking at the world where we analyze stuff and we give advice and we try to solve problems and we get things done and it has a kind of a land of poetry that is connected to the body and in which we are fluid non static beings and as soon as we bring this language of resonance to our healing work then the brain circle. Oh I can make sense. I understood because there are so many messages that are coming from the body that are coming coming up and when messages come up from the body they want to be heard. It's like there's a completion of the circuit if we're angry roar and we can feel it a name out. Of course I'm angry. Then everybody goes Yash. She got that message. We can let go of that one but if we've been told our whole lives it's not okay to be angry and we can't. We can never speak of it if it happens to happen. Then we'll be angry but we won't get to talk talk about it. The message never gets received. The tension just stays in the body that circuit doesn't get to be completed right. Yeah Yeah I. They called it like stored. Negative energy is yet. I felt when I finally was able to against the healing process. Oh my gosh. Releasing offense Stewart up negative energy from the TRAUMAS was incredible. Yeah so oh. I'm just enjoying the thought of that. The thought of the body that thought of all of our bodies being cleared of backed up messages. That WanNa be heard that are coming from the trauma center and and I think sometimes in me they feel negative when they're in there and they haven't been named but then when I get to to like really have them and celebrate them they aren't even negative anymore. It's like the life serving power of rage the acknowledgement of a bone cracking terror. You know the fate of look at it. Yeah Yeah Oceans of grief that we may care. Yeah Yeah Yeah beautifully. Positive way to look at it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I like exactly unless there's more motivation to get it out right right is right and then we have less percents percents that we're dumping it on our friends and therapists lovers people. You know family members on the street on the street on so angry sir. What's the what's the third the third thing that I do? Is this marvelous modality. That's very peculiar. which is called family constellations or systemic constellation work? And it's where you take the elements of a question and you put them into three d space so you can put them into the three D. space with objects you can say. Here's my mother. This is her knows she's looking this way. Here I am. Here's my nose does and I'm I'm not looking at her. I'm looking over here. You know You can do it with objects and you can also do it with people and you can have a whole circle of people and you can say. Okay here's what I'm working with. I'm working with I I WANNA do my next step step on why I eat compulsively and the person who's facilitating the Constellation will say I love to see you and and your mother and food. Let's put them out. See what they do and you go okay. I want you to play food. I want you to be my mother. I want you to be me. I WANNA look at this from the Outside here's how I'm going to set these elements up in relationship to each other and that movement of the question from the inside died of our brain into sweetie space so that we can look at it see where it stuck and notice what's missing that needs to be named that allows. How's the system to kind of organize itself and settle? Feels to me like we're getting to play in the brain. If feels like we're getting to bring our brains what happens inside of these skulls into shared space and begin to look at what are the elements that need to be named named and And I love this work and my most beloved teacher it lives in Russia and his Russian speaks Russian and the marlins thing is that that I was Russian interpreter. When I was in my twenties so I am? I have the honour. Every every few two years of bringing her over to the United States and interpreting for her. It's the only interpreting I do anymore. And she just arrived and I just got news that we get to going to the women's prison south of Portland Oregon and do constellation work in there for the women who and when you're somebody who ends up in prison most most often in our society this is about Not having add any education not having had enough money to be able to get therapy be and so we are. It's almost like our prisons are What they feel like to me a been doing prison doesn't work for about thirteen years It feels to me like they are our addiction treatment centers. And you know for for folks that don't have any resources to be able to get into diction treatment. Yeah no it just popped in my head. Is there orphanages for us. S. these inner children who are most likely would say the answer in the favor of being traumatized tremendous trauma unbelievable. Yeah the trauma and you know I mean all of the regular Ace's the adverse childhood experiences you know in the Plus Six plus range which as we know is incredibly destructive for human life right and the and then in addition you know there are other things that aren't even on the aces. Yes Questionnaire for years in prison I took a survey how many people have seen someone die. And that's not on the aces. You know you see somebody die in a car accident you could see. Somebody died by gunfire in front of you. You can see a child die in a you know just based in a freak accident so many of the women in prison. Almost everybody raised their hand. All seeing someone die. Yeah Yeah and then again I score ten out of ten crazy young and but I also saw someone is all grow. You hit on a bike then you take in. Obviously I know there's much more that taken into account now like bullying or races and all factors are you at all about on and yeah right but positive news is the resilience part of it and building. Resilience work you're we're doing. The beautiful wonder doing in helping people heal it. That that ACIS score is not a death sentence. It's national which Hey this is what's happened. Let's acknowledge it and hopefully in another hundred years it'll be like a Like like a medical diagnosis. No that will just go. Oh and here's and here's some of the treatment that we want you to have in and here's the sources of that Treatment Linden. No you don't have to come up with extra money to pay for it vehicle. Yeah so it's very special to me to get to go into into the prison and do this work. 'cause it's quite extraordinary. You get to take giant steps you know how you take baby steps in therapy all the time. There's something something about taking out outside of yourself and putting it into the space of a constellation where you get to look at it from outside when you get to go. Oh and all kinds of things begin to fall into place you you you mentioned Seeing a child die in on a bicycle yeah Something very similar happened. We were working in the prison and somebody said I don't have any memories after the age of Eight and I said Oh well what happened when you were eight. She said well. I was riding with my friend on bikes and I turned left and he turned right and he was killed. Oh my God. Yeah and she ends so we what we did was we brought. She chose a representative for herself and she chose representative for the boy and she realized that a part of herself had gone with him. Yeah it apart out of herself. Didn't that that the part of herself that would remember was gone. It had tried to go with him even though she hadn't died. And so that I constellation was is a reclamation of the self that had gone with him and we. We got to go back three months later. She said Sarah. I've had so how many memories now. We need to constellation to organize my memories. Because they're jumble. I have just gotten him back in the last three months and I am just overwhelmed. Well me so we took and we went through her life and she got to see it from the outside and figure out what the chronology was. It's like you can feel the brain healing. You can feel it doing the work of reorganization hat now. Is this something that people can do on their own or is it something that you need to work with someone that specialized in in well. Once you learn the theory. You can begin to play with it anytime you can go. Do you mean I have in my brain. A Three D representation of relationships that I don't even know about. There's a grid. We actually have a grid of relational connection and body memory in our brain that even remembers or thinks or imagines what way. Somebody's head is turned. We hit able to see this with research case. Anyway why you go. Oh my God. My brain works way. I'm going to start playing with this with my cup and my service but you but It's it's very It's it's very fun to do it. In groups very fun and very interesting and very powerful and it's called Constellation work or family constellations or systemic stomach constellations and there are practitioners all over the world and all over North America. And if folks need to find if you WANNA find a practitioner can you can write to me and I'll put out a call into the network and find out who's closest also an people so if you are doing doing this with other people it's not it's not role playing. They don't talk or say things right. They do actually talk and say things. But it's it's more extraordinary than role all playing okay. There's something about being placed as an element of a question that That brings a very interesting results. Yeah yeah intrigued. I WanNa do it very intriguing. Yes it is. It is veigh intriguing. Where are you physically? Cincinnati in high in Ohio. I'll be in Washington. DC in two weeks are we. Okay yes that's as is closest hike but there are practitioners is in your area so yeah yeah yeah you can look and see who's there yeah and And so Uh so I'm very excited to be going in and to be taking my Russian teacher and she's an ever since. I told her that I worked in the prison sheets. It's just been so interested and excited to go in and to experience. What is this like because in Russia the prisons are very locked? It's down there is. There's no way to get in to do any work with that with the folks who yeah yeah yeah so this. This is a very interesting about the prison. So many of the women say it's I don't WanNa be here but it actually saved my life to to be arrested and convicted. It's quite."