Dr. Marc Bubbs on Gut-Biomes, Phone-Vacations, Sleep and a Human First Perspective to Athletic Performance


Thanks for having me on the performance usually with Canada basketball and work as a consultant as well so if the lead sport and also with recreational clients looking improve their performance and you know my background and nutrition also naturopathic medicine so bringing a bit of a holistic view on an athlete health and human health in terms of performance. And and that's pretty much the philosophy leeann anywhere from people trying to look better feel better all the way up to you know a lot of our guys obviously play in the NBA and people got into the Olympics. And I'm always amazed at how similarities like the problems. We're having a highest level. Could actually be quite similar to the problems. The rest of us are having your trying to perform at work and at home. So there's a lot of similarities but of course definitely differences as well. The answer that that answer kind of takes me to the first question I had for. You is the idea of fitness versus health. And I think we hear that sometimes the sense of someone who looks fit in the gym might not necessarily be healthy or vice versa. And so what's for the for a high performance perspective? Those of us who work with athletes like what's I maybe. It's not a point but is what's that point were poor health really starts to spill over into performance. I mean does it start from square. One does after hit a critical mass in anything. It's probably complex question but what What would be a good would be a good indicator of that that crossover between health and performance or health? It's a fascinating question right. Because we assume the two are are are so intertwined and swearing fitnesses. Obviously the ability form of physical task helping state of well being and they do travel together to a certain degree but then when we really just the tip of the spear they start to veer off and grey paper. Maybe three or four years ago. Now by Paul Larson film off its own. Athletes fit but not healthy and of course. The endurance crowd is is definitely one that the interns athletes are ones that tend to experience that more than than even others right. Kassir pushing the volume. They're pushing the intensity and so this notion around you over training being just a person who's unhealthy right and so from a high performance standpoint. I mean I think when we look at some of the research around again. This is more than the endurance side but international the national level competitors. We see that international competitors get sick forty percent less than national level competitors if you can just show up every day in the gym or every day of practice and not miss days at the end of that year or that block of four years and you're going to be that much further ahead in the competition and so I think it's pretty cool now that we see this athlete health component. You know the skewing first idea being more intertwined with different performance models and you know on the female side of things again on the endurance with endurance sport. We used to just be part and parcel it if you're elite female endurance athlete. You GONNA lose menzies. And that's just part of the part of the story and of course China with experts like Dr Susan Kleiner. You know new new research coming out showing that women who maintain menstrual function which again is sort of a proxy for health right actually performing better as some of these lead levels and so whole notion that if we can keep athletes healthy particularly in you know team sports like forcing basketball or you know what we would call soccer but most the world calls Football Ohio you have. These athletes were so skilled. You know if you if you can get a forty four inch vertical leap and you're the fastest guy in the floor you know. Do we really need all of the things that has just keeping you healthy enough to show up every day. Probably the biggest performance lever. So those are some of the things that you hear being discussed more now and I think it's It's been interesting in practice to be able to see what are some of the less direct things that we can improve someone's performance by just supporting these areas of health. Then allow them to just be them and show up and do the amazing things that they can do. The I really really like that Thought with the showing up in the consistency and the stats behind that and I had a couple of thoughts was just with distance runners in general. I. I always had heard the idea. I think Dan John Coach. Dan John it said something like this. If you go to a masters track meet. The spinners look ten years younger than they really are. And the distance runners look ten years old and it was It was tough one. I always I always like okay. That does seem about right. I guess like it could make sense but then I was. It was like Dr Bruce Lipton stuff and he was talking about DNA. Telomeres and repetitive tasks. Like if the task is alter repetitive eight does something to aid your telomeres. Faster and mccaw. Maybe this is why I don't know I mean I don't want to speak for everybody. Necessarily they're probably becomes that point. We're distance rains good and then turns into too much and maybe trails versus roads or diversity. This is an interesting area to me. Yeah no I think it's really interesting as well. I think as a heuristic kind of works too because you do tend to see that. I think there's a few areas like obviously training outside if you trained in the sun and you live in California Arizona. You're getting all that happens. The skin which can impact but I think the glucose aspect is a really interesting one because we know that if you're not perform on race day as elite endurance athlete you do need a significant amount of carbohydrate and month after month year after year depending on what kind of strategy you're using. I mean that's GonNa those dance to glaciated. End Products are going to start to lead to more more impact the skin. So if you're if you're more focused on how the skin is looking you may want to adopt certain strategies and maybe sacrifice performance would. I don't know if that's a conversation for the pocket. Yeah yeah that'd be the on the very specific on subserve running podcast and looking good or not aging age or something like that I the second thought I had from what you're saying. I love that idea of consistency. I think it's something that we don't we don't necessarily think of like it's not very sexy to be like well you know. Show up and do that as long as possible. I think that when especially elite athletes and I've had talks other talks with coaches on this podcast about some. There's some elite athletes who just have a really bad diet but the question is then right. How long this catches up with you. At what age is going to catch up with yours. What what ages are going to start costing you. I guess that's my My follow up to that is how do athletes with a really poor diet and who are getting away with it and early. Twenty s are these things showing up later is different for everybody What's your take on all that? I mean it's one we see. You know you see sports now like Roger Federer. When he started to thirty four thirty five he started to lose. Some of those majors look like this for him. And of course all of a sudden at thirty six thirty seven. He starts winning majors again. Australian opens repeats and then Wimbledon. Geez guys now thirty seven thirty eight thirty nine you still the top four in the world. I mean he wins. The I guess to the quarter finals of tournaments was still almost the same ease as he did when he was in his mid twenties and that from a generation ago. I mean no when I was growing up north thirty in your tennis player. Men that the drop office was. Pretty Sean Right. So I think a lot of the science around nutrition Sleep obviously recovery. Obviously things like training. I think that's flat curve a little bit and allowed a lot of these athletes to be able to to play a lot longer. I mean you know candidate Basketball Steve. Nash I mean he played until he was forty and he had a back condition. You know I mean that's just playing a point guard position in the NBA is phenomenal. And so I think that's where the buying can be difficult for young athletes because you know nowadays are nineteen or twenty into the League. You know when you're that age you're indestructible right. You're not thinking you're thirty. Everything's just feels great. You can get away with everything and so I think that's one having an environment where people are just making certain decisions Really helps because environment too powerful influence from

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