Listen: Ep 28: Fleur Hassan-Nahoum: Between the Rock and a hard place
"To the PODCASTS lost episode we'd paranoid through deep often the assassination of calcium salamone. There was an extraordinary spike in audience for the Colonel Richard Kemp episode. Hundreds of new listeners came on board phase as clarity on the threat of Iran and also for Episode Twenty one Dr ran the self styled Jordanian opposition leader who correctly predicted donald trump's Iranian strategy. Now if you've listened to I the ant scroll down the episodes and do have a look. Today's guest is British. Juries only currently serving Israeli politician Jerusalem's deputy mayor floor Hasaan Nahoum. Jerusalem is also the laboratory of the regional solution. We have thirty seven percent Arabs. We have twenty five percents ultra-orthodox Jews we have twenty one percent secular Jews with twenty two percent. Some people in the middle like me who are traditional religious and in Jerusalem were two day were developing the models for shed society authority which will serve the entire country. So the way I feel is. I'm in the Beta testing model at the moment. That's where I am. I'm very happy to be. That flow was in London. That is a guest of the conservative friends of Israel telling the House of Lords the UK must stop funds for that's the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Stein refugees in the Near East unless she says it agrees to stop anti-israel and antisemitic incitement in schools flow. Was Part of a cross party meeting to discuss the. UK's recent pledge of sixty five and a half million pounds to INRA that's your tax money and she's she's pointed out that the Netherlands Switzerland New Zealand and Belgium already suspended two nations UNRA due to its corruption and it's incitement in those schools. The funding funding of Palestinian education by UNRA TO INCITE and glorify martyrdom only serves to fund another generation of war the UN General General Assembly voted in December twenty nineteen to extend the mandate until twenty twenty three horizons open to the cut and thrust of Israeli politics. But there's something about her unusual background which Israel can well do with and I started to take running ahead of the formal questions difference between Hamas who were fighting in Gaza and I says that they use their children to fight their wounds and we protected the children. When we're fighting against them? We care about their children the day care about children. You know she said when the Arabs love children more than they hate us. That's when peace will come. You grew up in Gibraltar and studied law. At King's College. Here in London qualified barrister and before making Aliyah emigrating to Israel in two thousand. And one you'll from Gibraltar which means that Britt your is exotic. 'CAUSE you're familiar. Oh that's nice. That's as my yet byline exotic as I am familiar with because I have been to Gibraltar. I like the three pin plugs marks and Spencer Norwegian Pizza Building Society but the place looks Spanish look Spanish it feels vanishes nations as streets. It's chaos mainstream. Yeah Yeah but isn't it lovely to be able to go in and buy decent underwear monks super in pounds of things knowing yours. It's always been pounds now in an interview earlier this year. You said that we all diverse of this from the background. You're able to understand reach out to different communities which is important with your role in Jerusalem. I can respect Arab cultures. Speak like an annual ASEAN. Think like a Latino a British person and a Safadi. That's right look. I think that growing up bilingual. It gives you an amazing not justify the SP two languages but you understand two cultures and you have different insights living within one person and on top of that the Safadi culture means that. I'm very much in touch with my mother's moral background. You know growing up With Muslims and Christians in Gibraltar. I always say I actually when I look at it. I was raised by three women. My mother Jewish Moroccan woman. My nanny a devout Catholic woman and our housekeeper for team a Muslim woman. These are the three women who raise me. How could I not now understand? You know the three different communities that are living in my city. Speak so I speak. English and Spanish mother-tongue learned Hebrew. And I used to speak French but then when I learnt Hebrew brew the French went from my head but I understand everything and I want to get back to it now. Yeah yeah that's a bit. Like Ariel Sharon's dream is not to the French people. Forget your friends come come to his room. But ultimately fell have to advocate to of others in funds holds. Well tell tell them. Wanting moved to Israel early as possible. And that's what I'm saying the on the world and now you're currently hardly the only british-born elected politician Israel. Yeah you became Jerusalem city councilor in two thousand sixteen appointed deputy mayor for foreign relations in two eighteen so how straightforward is innovation through the system being or do you mean by straightforward. Yeah that's pretty sharp elevation well you you won't boom that's true you're female. I could variously Hebrew and I made a good sign of society. I I think it is. I think people don't understand. How inclusive Israelis really inclusive is first of all? It's a country made up of mainly immigrants From over one hundred countries. We've got a twenty percent in the whole country. Our population much smaller Christian population about three three to three percent. Maybe a little more and you hear every language in Israel and especially in Jerusalem which is the most diverse city in the country. And and I say you know constantly I try and convince people because they don't really know that in his others equal rights what with fighting for is equal opportunity. I think succeeding in politics. I don't want to put myself on the back too much but a lot of it is also to do with a bit of Mozelle block could be in the right time in the right place. You know be open to opportunities and work very very hard and I've had some very hard times when I've been ousted from party when I found myself in a very very difficult situations and I think What I bring to the table is hysterical about it like I am not a politician? I'm not going to wither indic-. I'll find somewhere something. Something else to do to contribute to society. I think I'm a friendly person. I'm generous with people. And so people like to then be generous back. I think again you know a bit of a bit of luck with helps. which is your job? The tourism inclusivity. What do I do every day? You know I think what I do. On the everyday level they match make not people to get married all right although I used to do it as well but I I find that I'm living in a very heavily bureaucratic system when the right hand left hand is doing and what I try and do is his facilitate the public to be part of the decision making and I try within the bureaucracy to try make things more more efficient. What I do is I all diplomatic ties for the city with different countries city? Twinning more that type of thing. I'm helping out the Americans. The building new embassy. I'm encouraging other countries to move their embassy and facilitating the physical bureaucratic process of of that. And I'm also involved in economic economic development economic development. Not just in the whole of the city. I'm very involved in the High Tech Revolution. That's happened in the city over the last seven years. I've done the matchmaking. Between Academia and industry academia is very very important very significant in our city so I was one of the people who try and make a build the bridge between academia and Industry for the good quality employment in the city but now I'm very heavily invested in bringing economic opportunity to east Jerusalem which she's where the majority of the forty seven percent of the Arabs in my city live because they deserve the same opportunity to have the same rights they deserve the same opportunities. Yes and that's what I'm doing right. Because the gap between equal rights theory and equal opportunities is huge. It's yawning and I saw Benjamin giving Netanyahu throw out at Chatham House when he came here saying we're all into the ATHOL. It's fine to say that you are never could be the man to bring that about. You might say you'd be surprised. I think it's the opposite. I think the rhetoric political rhetoric that he sometimes talks about can sound divisive. But he's given more money and more resources to Arab towns and villages in east Jerusalem than any other prime minister in the history of the state of Israel including the Labor prime ministers. So I think it's the opposite with. Maybe he actually. Does he get stuff done. But then when he's fighting being an election he has to seem a little less at the historic decision that the government of Israel took could government of Israel took three years ago to say. Espn Jerusalem deserves east. Jerusalem deserves equal resources that came from his government and that decision has allowed me now to be able to bring in outside partners other countries to see how together we can develop issues that came from him now. It is an ancient population. The Jews Armenians. Oh yeah the meaning communities the quotas community by the way Roman Catholics Arabs constantly making control versus. You know what Gibralthe is my oracle old. What coexistence looks like my father was? Achievement is the two one eight elections in a majority Catholic country. How does that happen happen? It happens because people look. You know. You're you're you're the Muslim people are just people in general because it's so small we know people as people who relate to people for the humanity coming from. I'm the Apple. Winston Churchill Way with seeing the Red Winston Churchill Avenue Avenue of our blocks on the left yes. They've actually you. You know then. Little a little pickup job owners place in here I am I correct in saying that some women are more engaged at all levels levels of Israeli society. What can Israel teach Britain and Europe? The United States about this. There's not going to be me too in. Israel is there we had A. We had a mess me too in the army. You know it turned out but it's GONNA different texture and Israelis and at the same. There's no sort of Brigadier General Harvey Weinstein Talking Talking about you know but we have an ex president in jail for Rape Roy Hill which means that the system is trying to correct itself and we we hold no prisoners if if president if president abuse all actually in Israel the deficient of rape and Sexual Shaw harassment is actually very very wide includes a senior person in the same workplace having relations with a junior person that is actually a constellation of consent. I'm lawyer England in England doesn't go that far in England and you can. You can cancel content by age by misrepresentation but not necessarily by stimulated workplace in an Israel. Yes we have very high extended they wind look. I think that we have what to teach them. How to in terms of political representation which I'm very engaged in in terms of women? We have twenty five percent. In the Knesset low. I mean not low for you know the other countries of the Middle East but OECD. We could be doing better. We have nine teen percent in local government now. It used to be thirty percent in National Government went down twenty five used to be thirteen percent of windows. Eight thousand nine nineteen what we've lost the national we've gained in local. Still look good enough. I believe that we live in an imbalance world because the women no making fifty percent of the Oh decisions I truly believe that so I won't be happy until women fifty cent of decision making. How do you do that? You have to show girls from when they're in school but they could also be the prime minister. Why not I mean in England? Thank God you've had two women by municipal nothing. There's nothing better than role modeling when it comes to you. Empowering Women Without excluding men this is the case with that you know people says we get into trouble in this country with something called white privilege. Yes I."