clip. At some different to change it changed a little bit why I just played the way list would have played if he'd altered box version. Play that again. Play what again, The thing you played outside of all, you'll make plea to think I played outside. Please. A flurry of Awards nominations has descended on this film The latest from the BAFTAs and fresh from the Golden Globes. I sat down this week with Charlemagne and his co-star Armie Hammer their banter, and they're chemistry continues. Off-screen as well. Timothy challenged a Armie Hammer Welcome to the program. This film has really struck a chord. I mean, everybody who seen it is not knocked out by it, But his it's a ton of an independent little movie, right? We've surprised by the reaction and how it's being, you know, received a different didn't grow into the movie thinking that it would be sort of ubiquitously accepted and celebrated like this. I mean it's it's it's a beautiful script, but it's also, uh, it's very much in Indian shouted for almost nothing in a little tiny town in the countryside of Italy. That was gorgeous, but. But it just felt more like a passion project in a labour of love. It wasn't anything that anyone was expecting to blow up a now that it's been so. You know, wonderfully received, especially concerning how much of our blood, sweat and tears we put into it, it it feels really nice to the What about you will? How do you account for how it's resonated? I, you know, I guess there's no formula to people ever own two to knowing why people like things. But similar Would army just said, even in my short experience so far been a part of a lotta in these. It just don't get seen or don't get the distribution for the possibility to be seen. So I don't know what it is it this there can't be discounted that there really was like a fan base for the bulk already. Andrea asked men's novel. They came out in two thousand seven so that was part of it. And also I think it's just the right time fora unseen ICL unabashed pure celebration of of love and all the sorrow that comes with it, but a lack of gross dark subject matter for the sake of being cynical. You know that that is a really good way to put it because I think everybody has relished exactly what you just said. The the lack of cynicism and the. Beauty nudges visually are, but also in terms of the characters. So the characters you were a 17-year-old. You were twenty year old graduate student, And I'm working for your father during the during the the summer. How did it come about? I mean, you a two straight guys playing gay guys. In varying MIT, How did that happen? Was it the the the director throw you in a deeper? How did you create that chemistry? Oh more I mean, they say experiences the greatest teacher and it was just about spending as much time with each other is possible in such a way if we add four days each other before we started filming. I know Sometimes my instinct other actors and is intimate scenarios and stories is to try to get as much information as possible about them in a kind of artificial way. When you have that gift of three, four weeks like we did not even about that. It was, Yeah. I mean, I we just spent a lot of time with one another, And then there's also and I'm sure army would have allowed to say, but it's as well. But I just feel like it's like the random luck of the universe that we hit it off his human beings in that you can't really It's not about that first impression or uh, uh, randomness, but rather we act we just hit it off. We sort instances sugar was jeweler too. You know, we are relationship. Kinda grew really announcied how the film were showed up, and he'd been in the in the small town of criminal where we shot it for weeks. At that point from. Rising himself with the place. So I showed up and we got on bicycles and we wrote around And he said, you know, that's a great place, hit coffee. That's where you want to go get your Lotto. That's where the great they've great pizza there. And we just spent a lot of time together. And the the fill was older that you guys on bicycles as well. But easy what I mean, it it's an easy way to get around a small talking town Exactly. But wanted the Drake to Luca what? What did he do to to to make you comfortable with with these scenes? He didn't treat anything precious. It wasn't like, you know, on days when we were riding bikes, he would come up to us go, Okay, Don't forget. Tomorrow we have to do seem with nudity, and you guys are going to have a love scenes of don't forget it. Every every sing was dealt with, uh, in sort of this wonderfully. Sort of like languished, beautiful Mediterranean-style where it was just a relaxed enjoyment of everything, whether it was a scene where we were picking fruit off of a tree that became the most enjoyable thing we could do, or if it was a scene where we were going to be laying bed than that was the most enjoyable thing. Every single scene was celebrated in a way where the same way that love the celebrated in the fact that love his love is celebrated every seen, felt like that. So he just made as comfortable isn't a game movie. Is it about, I mean, you'll characters. We think the UK bit towards the end of the film. I don't wanna make split or that everybody seen it. New caught up and say that incite you're engaged to be married to a woman has been on and off dating and we're not sure whether you'll cadres gay, You have relations with girls in the movie. How would you describe the film you? I think it's to each his own, and I think that goes for Elian when Oliver, but more importantly, I think he goes for the audience member, and I think it'd be fair for anybody to watch this movie and say to game movie or bisexual movie, or a coming of age story, or. Coming out story or a by northern countryside in in Italy, summer movie, or a first romance. I don't know. I'm always careful with this movie with any project on the part of the art for me takes place in the head of the viewer, not on screens. So teaches own One of the most arresting dramatic speeches was you'll father when all of the leaves for the summer and you left alone and just very sad. I mean, you'll father speech brings real tears to the eyes. Absolutely. And in the speech saying Nieto essentially live and let live. And uh, except the pain in your life in the sorrow in that. If you're feeling bad badly, when you're grieving, whether that's for the loss of romance or another human being, you're doing it perfectly pain is enough. You don't have to be yourself up because of pain. It's a whole the layer or You don't need. That's how I always understood it. I mean it is. It's incredibly time leads. Its is all about tolerance as well. And how how do you think that we do think this moment is a moment that needs to hear that message of pure tolerance? I think it. I think that that is a message that is always time we I think it's something that people can always streamed to hear more of. I think that there is always a place for movies that are about love, which is love is love. His love is love, and it should be celebrated in any form a kind of takes, especially if it's genuine in and and from the heart and beautiful on to go back to Michael speech. It's it's kind of a thing of, you know, don't cry because it's over smile because it happened and I can put That's a beautiful thing to remind people. I wonder whether you as guys. Also twig that he is basically telling you as a young man that it's okay to have feelings and it's okay to be emotional because so many young boys a told, you know, be brave, stiff, upper lip cross. Don't cry. Yeah, man, I I love it. You say that. And that's been one of my favorite things to here in response to the movie, particularly about a young male character that is experiencing the spectrum of emotions, like any human being. Because I think it's a particularly like recent phenomena. But like very American as well, that like you said, it's supposed to be stiff upper lip or muti-national I Brando or like alcohol isn't a wherever you know. And and that it's fine to just be there's nothing wrong with that. If anything one should embrace at, I want to get to the me to movement because obviously, you know, Hollywood is this sort of crucial of what's going on in terms of women's rights and women's push back against sexual abuse, harassment, and quid pro quo in your business. How is that? Affected both of you. And do you also believe that it is you guys who have to help us women? Absolutely, and the importance of during this interview with you as opposed to and other journalists is not lost upon me. Um, I I went to the Golden Globes, and my sister and was really great like as it relates to the second part of your question as far as what's the what's the guy's role in this beyond the importance the movement independently? How does the guy fit in? And sh It was like an education talking her and we're says she said you, you know you're per this new wave, your new general, your millennial, you, the new generation, You have to be talking about this. Uh, and I guess I always thought I always think I'm unknown anyway, but I guess I always thought as a consequence of my age or lack of cloud or something that it's not one's responsibility. But I guess that's where the problem lies, you know is It's everyone's responsibility And you you a slightly older generation will be seen this over misogyny in Hollywood. Sure. What do you think I mean, you know there's this feminist writer, Linde, as you just said, you know, it is men who created sexism and massage. Jenny and they have to help us fix it. You know, it'll be useful if one day Robert Downey junior wakes up and demands equal pay for his Costa eccentrics Hedrix central What do you think of that aspect of it? I think that there is, uh, I don't disagree. I think that there is a system in place that has a very wonky set of rules, and it seems kind of one-sided. But like any system, It's knocked one element at fault. It's normally like a confluence of things. Um, I think that. You know, part and parcel with sexism, there is almost like a power ism That's in play as well. You know where it's just been ubiquitously accepted for too long that those with power are allowed to abuse it. Um, and because of sort of, you know, the male dominated nature of of a lotta systems in the world. It's, it's the men who have the power who were able to abuse it. I do think that there is a big role to play. You know? I think that there is, you know. You know, Kurt Vonnegut said it. Well, when he said artists are kind of like the Canaries in the coal mine because was sensitive were were really tuned to what's going on in. They'll kill us first because we are so sensitive. And the fact that this movement is sort of found its genesis in the entertainment industry shows you that you know this, this is something that is now starting to kill canaries and it should be something that expands passed that. So there is There is a role to play. There is something to do. And you know you wanna be allied with the side that of doing something as opposed to being a part of the problem. Do you have any qualms Timothy about working with Woody Allen any Your next film has him as the director, and as you know, he's been accused by his daughter of sexual abuse. He's never been charged. He has been arrested None of that. But I wonder whether you think about it and whether you ask how his he escaped the MI-2 revolution is can be really important for me. Talk about that and to really. There is. I hesitate to talk about it right now because what I say will only it's only gonna anger people. So when when that phone comes out, if it comes out that's gonna it's gonna be really important to talk about, but that's not the time right now. And what's next on the rise of you? Uh, I will be making a Broadway debut this next summer here, so I'll be here for the summer. Uh, you had just, uh, just trying to enjoy right now. This process this, this kind of crazy wave of, you know, call me by your name, loved that the film is getting trying to enjoys much time with my family. Armie Hammer Timothy China may think he satellite Thank you. Must talk to. And that is it for our program tonight? Remember You can always listen to our podcast and see us online at I'm on poor dot com. And of course, follow me on Facebook and Twitter. Thanks for watching and could buy from New York.