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Is an episode about the the life in the career and the and the essence of Matthew mcconaughey, who is of course, starring in a new movie harmony, Curran's new movie the beach bum which is out in theaters right now, and we're gonna be talking about that movie quite a bit. But before we do that we're going to do what we always do on the show. This is only the second time we've done it. We're going to analyze different stages of an actor or actress or directors career, and we're gonna talk about the breakthrough moment and the personal pinnacle for each of the three of us. And then we'll talk about the big movie that's out right now. So guys before we get started. I wanna talk. A little bit about just your personal connection to Matthew mcconaughey who has been in our lives for a long time perhaps longer than I even realized when I was looking at this guy's career. Amanda, what is your your general relationship to Makaay? Well, like his career goes in phases. And we're gonna talk a lot about I actually don't know how much we'll talk about the two thousands. But you talk about it, Matthew mccown. Hey starred he was a rom com. Idle in the two thousands, and that's a very interesting time in romantic comedies and say not so interesting workwise, but in terms of career arc very interesting time in Matthew mcconnahey career. And that's kind of how I was introduced to him or how he became a part of my life about that. And you about Matthew mcconaughey, but I was very conversant in those romantic comedies. And then I was a culture blogger to during the Kanazawa. So. It's in terms of watching an actor or a public figure reinvent themselves and have a kind of public narrative that we're all participating in real time. He's a really prime example for me. I can't really think of him without thinking of just this not even transformation, but a return to self that he experienced would you say the time as a flat circle, Amanda. Oh my God. Yeah. I would have to at this point. 'cause you all do so often, rob. What about you? I suspect that your your true relationship with with Matt Mack, which is something no in calls him. But I'm gonna call him that occasionally Amish. Micheli? What's your relationship to McConnell, 'cause I I assume it started before Amandus? Yeah. I mean, it started very simply as like I just want to listen to this person say word rest of my life. I mean, I do think he has this my favorite voice like in Hollywood, and possibly, you know, the larger celebrity sphere. I mean, I'm pretty sure my introduction him like most people my age, our age was dazed and confused and just every word that came out of his mouth just sounded beautiful for lack of any other way to put it I think following his career subsequently. I I wanted to ask you guys like the McConnell San's that term sort of implies like a really deep valley in the middle of his career. Like, Matthew mcconnahey is sort of a guy when I started following and writing about entertainment like following the arc of an actor or a celebrity in the low points in the high points like I was always kind of confused by the McConnell, and ideas, like what was he recovering from like, he doesn't really have. A Geely in that sense. Like, I don't think there's one moment. That's like a terrible moment. And it's like literally ninety seconds ago. I remembered that he was once a rested for playing Bongos today. Kid. That's the thing that happened. Right. What a like that will that wasn't the low point. But like, I was I was he's one of the first actors who I sort of perceived as having this media driven sort of rise and fall arc to him. And I could never quite figure out what caused the fall. I guess I bet you have a lot of thoughts say rob have you seen goes girlfriend pass? And or I haven't walls gold, and or forces of nature, and at you know, the back half from two thousand five to two thousand nine he's in a ladder leading man roles that are tough, and they're not gonna romantic comedies, and those are not. In any way, the essence of McConnell as we have come to understand him. And it's an interesting arc- because he basically twenty years later returns to himself. It's an it's an arc that I know flat, circle, blah, blah, blah. I get it. But it really is the Mikan science. I think more means that he. Finds his essence again as opposed to coming from some valley. It's like a a a new expression or somebody say, the, original expression. Will I think it's also about what we deem to be quality versus an meaningful artistic choices versus things that are pop or frivolous. I think particularly in that period that you're talking about Amanda, you basically two thousand five two thousand four Saharan to for the money things kinda start to go a little south there. And he's just making a lot of stuff that is moderately successful. But just not very good. And you know, when he comes back with the Lincoln lawyer and Bernie in killer Joe, and we'll talk about that period seems to turn the ship, and he starts working with filmmakers that he'd worked within the past or people who seem interesting in on the forefront of something. And so I think the McConnell San's, rob, I guess for lack of a better phrases just meant he started doing good stuff again. And I would argue towards the end of this podcast. We're actually in a phase where with the exception of the movie we're going to be talking about at the end. He's actually made. More bad stuff in the last five years than good stuff, and maybe more bad stuff than he did in that fallow, period. But nevertheless, let's go back to the very beginning. Rob you wanted to talk about about days as as sort of breakthrough. So what is it about David Waterson that that enraptured you? I mean, I feel first of all this is there is no need to overanalyze him that movie like this moment. Like he's in days and confused, really ten minutes. Maybe. You know, like just jump right? Like his delivery of the line. I get older they stay the same age. It's like this perfect mixture of like, casual and formal that's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older they stay same age. He knows the character knows how good align. It is the actor knows how good align. It is. Like, you take a little step forward. Like in that exact moment. Like, I realized that for the first time that he's wearing like salmon colored pants. Ted Nugent t-shirt. It's just this this beautiful transcendent moment that doesn't need to be belabored. But let's does this guy as a star like just right in that moment. And I the other days that I love rewatching he pulls up alongside another car like a burger joint and the two guys in the other car go off Christ immediately like they can't stand him. But the the driver of the other car a young red headed lady who I believe is Marissa Rabin easy is smitten with him. No, I got my own car. Thank listen to stick the car with now get in with us. But that's all right worry about that later. I will see their. You tell them about the new fiesta tap inning at the moon tower. There's going to be fresh kegs. And it's just I would just I would just follow this man, anywhere. And I watching it again like I feel there's a version of dazed and confused like the studio like focus groups like diluted belabored version of the movie that feels compelled to have an actual plot. And like a moral would make his character not like the villain, but like the cautionary tale at the worst case scenario like you don't wanna end up like this guy, actually like dazed is one of the things that makes it great is like it's a high school movie where at least some of the actors look like they could conceivably be in high school. And so it makes it hard to tell like how much older he's supposed to be than the rest of the people. But I I love the way that like his job is working for the city. Like he says that several times doesn't elaborate at all. But like it's kind of he's he's he's kind of lame like part of what makes Ben Affleck's CARA. Actor lame is that he shouldn't be there anymore. Like, he I think he like flunked a he got held back a few grades or something like he shouldn't be hanging out with these people anymore, and it should theoretically be the same for him. But it's not. But even at the end like when they're on a football field, and he gives the speech about like, it's about living L I V. I N like you can take that as like really profound. You can take that as kind of pathetic. Like, there's a version of the movie where like the plot is like the football player trying to decide whether to sign like the promise not to take drugs or whatever. Like that moment. Could be the football player realizing I don't actually want to end up like this person, you know. And if I agreed not fuck up like even twenty percent of the time, and I won't end up like this person. But like the actual movie can't bear to do that to McConnell. Hey, and like McConnell as performance is too. Good to even make you feel like even a little bit pathetic. Like, it's just it's a very fine line and just uncomplicated -ly beautiful thing. But like when you think about it, it's it's just. It's perfect. He's unquestionably one of our most beautiful statutory, rapists. He's just it's amazing. It's amazing how willing we are to forget that that is literally the point of that character is that he is a predator. And it's like, oh what a charming predator? You know, that is really his power like this is the first significant role that he had and it's it's one of his best roles. It's it's like communicates. A lot about the kind of actor that he is even though he's as you said, rob onscreen for so so little Amanda, what did you think of days? Yeah. I agree with you. It's just kind of an instant stardom. I was on a podcast recently talking about Pretty Woman and the power of that movie and a lot of ways it's just you're watching. Julia Roberts become a star in real time. And it's so rare to see someone in one of their first movies just like before we formed. It's kind of like, okay. You know, you are and sodas the director, and you know, how to be on screen, and like I understand the qualities that you're going. Bring to your other roles like you have just you've got star quality from the gecko. And like he clearly does like dazed and confused. It's kind of his first movie or his first big movie. But also definitely the statement for the rest of his career, or at least the successful parts of his career and people don't often figure it out that early. It's true. It's notable though that it takes a few years for him to find real stardom. You know, even though I think anybody who saw it is inconvenient came out. And it was not a huge box office hit. There's something going on with that guy who is that guy. And then he appears in significant roles, but not necessarily the lead role in angels in the outfield, which I'm sure we all know and love, Bobby Wagner. Our producer baseball fan. I'm certain he's seen it Texas chainsaw massacre of the next generation, which quite bad. He has a small role in boys on the side in which is very charming and his smaller but crucial role in Lone Star, which we've talked about on this podcast before. And then comes a time to kill now. If you're listening to the show, you probably know how much I like the John Grisham adaptations of the nineteen nineties. This was a this was a sub genre that Hollywood thrived on over the years. End of the pelican brief is one of your favorites. Pelican brief the firm is one of my favorites. I'm a big fan of the client. Rob you, and I were having a grand old time recounting some of the ridiculousness of time to kill which I had forgotten and yet still feel entertained in compelled by it's actually quite gruesome story. And if you think Waterson is a sleazebag the stuff that happens in time to kill us awful. It's it's it's essentially a courtroom drama about a man who is on trial play by Samuel Jackson and his lawyer as Matthew mcconaughey, and Matthew mcconaughey is playing essentially modern day Atticus Finch person who is like a he starts the movie out of sort of a wastrel like a slick drunk southern courtroom operator. And by the end of the movie, he transforms into this morally righteous profound. Emotionally resonant figure and this movie is really weird. I cannot believe this movie exists, and so intense, and so upsetting and also features a million famous people, Sandra Bullock is essentially McConnell as right hand woman, who's helping him with the case who understands the law significantly better than mccown as character does Samuel Jackson of courses on trial. He plays Billy Ray Cobb. Kevin Spacey is the DA who comes in from out of town and his quite evil for into Frick. Her plays. Matthew kinda his secretary Oliver Platt places legal partner, Donald Sutherland, I believe plays. His father has dropped. It's like it's not as father. But like the lawyer who gave him his start and is now a drunk sort of wasted. Right. His. Protege. His father figure who has his name is is Lucien Wilbanks sheriff some perfect Girish esque southern writing the reason that I chose this movie is his breakthrough is because it's the the first time that McConnell, hey, is in the center of the frame, the whole time the movie lives and dies by him. And because of its preposterousness, I think almost any other actor wouldn't have been able to pull it off. And of course, there's a very very famous speech at the end of this movie that we're gonna listen to right now. I wanna tell you story. Close your eyes. Tell you the story. I want you. Listen to me what you listen to yourselves. Go